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Countless times you mouth off (not language I usually use) and whenQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
challenged you either can't answer or are unable to. My question to you now is
why do you get involved in a forum if you are incapable of participating?
I beg to differ. There is a provision in the Bill. You either have not studied it or care not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
The president is correct: The House bill contains a section (Sec. 246) titled "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS," which states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
What has your side of the aisle turned into??
You come across since I have started reading these posts as a crowd of inhumane xenophobes and racists,your self interest and not those of others lest you be deprived of , WHAT?? What are you deprived of right now that there are so many illegals in the country and the only reason you seem to qualify as a citizen is that when you were born both your parents were American. Isn't that true if you were born in Panama?
How about the child actually born on the land of the US? How can that person be deprived of citizenship? Never mind the parents status.
If a woman is pregnant while entering the US on a visa and pregnant. What is the status if she gives birth while the visa is still intact. Also, what happens to those children that are born to nationals that do not even need a visa if they give birth.
Do I sense racism? I don't know. I'm not accusing you: more so the law.
I read your post again and have gone back through many posts of yours prior to President Obama.
It occurs to me that you have not one shred of viable complaint that can be addressed to this sitting president , yet,you conveniently ignored everything that happened during the last administration.
I searched your posts and not once have I seen Bush/Cheney being called liars even though they lied about WMD. Lest you use the archaic argument thoroughly refuted by more astute academics than I would ever hope to aspire to be that these WMD's did not exist and to this day have not surfaced.
Where was your abhorrence to the Abu Ghraib issue, the Guantanamo issue,
the Rendition issue, the bombing of wedding parties, the outing of a covert CIA agent doing her job on the nuclear proliferation threat so as to get back at a man that told the truth?Where was your angst then?
You are a political gerbil. You will go along with what you are told and will not at anytime question anything because your political slant is so far right you can't be wrong.
A sad state of affairs. How old are you anyway? What is your education?I'd like to know.
The irony is Bob, nowadays he could have his cake and eat it too. It used to be an either or. You couldn't be a dual citizen and hold American citizenship, unlike other nations who do allow dual citizens. I know many Canadians who work in the US in entertainment or athletes are now getting their Dual Citizenship, because of course, they are paying taxes down there, so they want a vote! I am glad the US changed this aspect, although I don't think dual citizenship is actually the best if it the two countries are radically different or opposed. I suspect the US offers Dual Citizenship based on their relations with the other country, in this case Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
I think if an illegal or foreign citizen is willing to put on the uniform of a country and put their life on the line for someone else's country, after a term of service citizenship should be offered. Anyone willing to bleed for the nation should be rewarded. The codicil is though, only so many foreign or illegals should ever be taken in, and only after meeting some standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
I think citizenship in the US has been so devalued by the ability of millions of illegals to make a living and PAY taxes that the whole concept is being held into question. I don't blame people like Gloomy's parents for coming to the US for a better life, and Reagan's amnesity and maybe others may have gotten them their citizenship. The die was cast when that happened. Any incentive for Mexicans NOT to come to the US was taken away.....
The US government has failed for years to enforce their border with Mexico and to an extent Canada. There was little or no effort actually..and the nation is reaping what it has sown. Cant blame poor people in Mexico wanting a better life, but I can say the US has to handle the immigration in a logical fashion. Illegal immigration doesn't really help the problems government has to contend with and affects a lot of aspects in the economy, and not all for the good.
Politically, I don't know why Republicans are pursuing this at the risk of alienating Hispanic voters, who by and large would seem natural republican voters, social and fiscal conservatives with an entrepreneurial spirit. To me it's just a mistake on so many levels. I know this, I'm a WASP who has always voted Republican and I'm appalled by this stance.
Now, as far as people saying that "they" should just follow proper procedure and get in line, I say this, there is no line. This is a quote from an article by John Stossel last July:
On a more personal note, my wife's brothers and sister live in Chihuahua City, Mexico, about 5 hours south of Juarez which is one of the most dangerous cities in the world right now. Fortunately, they have not been touched by the problems there. Oh my brother-in-law had opened a branch office to his business in Juarez, but he closed it when they started demanding protection money, and it has not followed him south. Anyway, we started investigating bringing her family here. I can easily sign affidavits of support, etc. but it's of no use really. Checking this months Visa Bulletin, which is put out by the US State Department, they are only processing applications for brothers and sisters of US residents from Mexico that were put in on or before October 22, 1992.Quote:
It would be easier to "regulate the flow" if America made it easier for people to work here legally. State Department data show that a British Ph.D. in bioengineering must wait about six months to get a green card. A South African computer programmer, six years. An Indian computer programmer, 35 years.
A Mexican with a high school diploma must wait a theoretical 131 years! No wonder people sneak into America.
That's 18 years of waiting, and that's only to get your "A" number and get an appointment. I am sure the process after that would take at least a year. It took a year to process my wife's "K" visa, and that was pre-9/11.
6 months or a year, maybe 2 to process, ok, 18 years, ridiculous.
On the work side, for skilled professionals from Mexico, they are processing applications from on or before April 15, 2003 or almost 8 years, not a lot better. My industry is landscaping and horticulture. There are H2B visas available but they are artificially kept too low and capped at 66,000 per year. It is also a bureaucratic mess of hoops to jump through for small businesses that may need no more than 5-10 workers.
I was working for one such Landscape company in 1994-95 when the first Hispanic workers started to appear in Memphis. It was an agonizing decision for the owners, who suspected that many if not most of these workers were using forged documents. (Some back-story; this company had started in 1959, and they treated their people well. There's always large turnover in this type of work but a group of 6 (5 African-American, 1 Caucasian) had made careers there and been there 25-30 years. These folks started retiring and there was no one to replace them, oh maybe a couple like me didn't mind working in the heat and the cold and the mud, but not near the #'s necessary to do the work. To be sure, machinery replaced some people, but it couldn't replace all. I was there, and I will tell you that crack and meth ruined the blue collar worker that we used to depend on.)
So we took whatever documents they gave us, copied them and paid social security and witholding, and it was the right decision. I know for us wages rose. You paid more to keep good guys. Production rose, so wages rose. Now that I sell product to 150+ landscape companies and garden centers, I will tell you that my prior companies story was not an isolated one.
These are good people and will gladly register if there was a channel for them to do so. Many don't even necessarily want citizenship, just residency and opportunity. My wife is not yet a citizen, she's only a resident. I believe in free markets, and free trade. Let's let it apply to labor and people too.
Oh and birthright citizenship has been the principle in this country since the Wong Kim decision of 1898. I see no reason to change it now.
Look it up yourself, pay me and I will do it for you, but without money, find it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by glauistean
If you are too inept, que sera-sera, if you too lazy, tough.
Stick to the thread title, your trolling bs, is childish and boring.
Troll, troll, troll your boat...Quote:
Originally Posted by glauistean
Thanks for agreeing with me. You were given the evidence and all you can do is resort to juvenile internet words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Riebe you have no worth or value to these forums. You are a dimwit.
OK, as a forum member I say stop it!
Jeeez, a simple topic is started in our forum and the betting starts amongst forum members to see how many posts it takes for it to turn out into what now should be a Private Message conversation.
I don't know about other forum members but I don't get excited when a forum fight starts . . . OK, unless it's fousto because when he lets it all go out he does so knowing that he is going to pay the consequences and end up banned for a while - and he will take it "like a man" because he knows he has stepped over the border and will take his forced exile with class.
But these fights?
Give me a brake and take it to your PMs and call yourselves whatever you wish to by insulting yourselves in the privacy of your personal communications arena.
rant over.
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Originally Posted by glauistean
Still twice as intelligent as you are troll-boy.
That remark in fact shows you to be a total and absolute idiot. Are you stillQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
fighting with your brothers and sisters about who is the smartest one? No wait. I expect one of two things to be correct. You are an only child (although you should be mentally an adult) , two /you are the middle child striving for attention but never quite making it.
Riebe, your posts are bordering on the schizophrenic. You in fact may fall into the various subtypes.
The most evident to me is your paranoid subtype. You try to bait people and when you fail you become obsessed with a feeling of persecution so the only way for you to hit back is by resorting to your other subtype of juvenile
tantrums and lashing out with idiotic posts such as the one I, to my embarrassment answering.
You are a deluded self loathing person , unable to converse intelligently with anyone. You are asked questions and refuse to answer. You then resort to name calling. Lest you believe I am calling you names as I write this , I am not. You are most definitely a person I have deep empathy for. I feel sorry for you Bob Riebe as you, amongst all the people that frequent this forum displays a behavior that is at best worrisome. You feel persecuted and can't hide the fact. You divulge your impotence by stating I am not as smart as you. Your thoughts are a maelstrom of disturbance and you can't rid yourself of the constant feeling of persecution when you are unable to answer a question.
By the way, are you a clean person? Do you wash, shave(if you are a man) ,brush your teeth? Do you fall into the blunt or flat areas of the disease.
Ever laugh at the inappropriate? Ever find it funny or amusing or become agitated or giddy at the most inappropriate times?
My main fear for you is your disorganized thought patterns that you display here on a "chit chat" forum for a motor racing site. I enjoy frequenting this place but since you have gravitated to me (another subtype) and try to demean me with hebephrenic enunciation I feel compelled to respond.
I'll give you some hope Riebe since I do not know you, but would hope that one of the moderators would eject you from these forums.
You're not catatonic so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that maybe,just maybe you are in the undifferentiated Subtype. So, there is hope for you and if you can answer the question posed by me and other questions by many other participants, then I imagine that you are possibly salvageable , but the fluctuations of this illness do not guarantee you anything.