New engine regs for 2013

rah: What are you ? Some kind of reactionary?
My (pick your own diety) thinking outside the box!
The F1 Gods have decreed the rules must be as complicated and have as many grey areas as possible to promote contraversy.
The FIA have decreed costs must come down and then promptly tweak the rules just enough so everyone has to produce a completely new car every year instead of developing what they have with tweaks.
There was a time when the same basic car could race for several years. Updated yes. But the rules were static.
Now I am an old f*rt but I remember going through the infamous 'Yellow Book' every year to see if they had corrected the loophole we had found. Then reading all sections pretaining to formula racing plus general racing rules to see if I could find a loophole. It took an evening.
I doubt if I could read the F1 rules in an evening let alone study them!
My suggestion, which will never happen because the powere that be cannot think that way, would be to take the entire F1 regulations and seal them in a time capsule to opened in a 1000 years and start with a clean sheet of paper.
Give them to a mechanic to develop. Not an engineer or designer. And keep the lawyers at bay with a greener (sawed off 10 gauge shotgun).
Make then simple and concise. The less rules the better. And anyone who does not think mechanics are smart just consider Steve Matchett, Chad Knaus (NASCAR) or Ron Dennis.
Will never happen.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

that's for 2015, with the hybrids :p

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Any word on F1 diesel engines?

I have always preferred the naturally aspirated engined over forced induction.
I am trying to like the idea of the 1.6 litre turbos, but can't quite come around.
I will sit on the fence until I hear one in Melbourne 2013.
or maybe not. ;)

Has anyone on here ever actually built an engine from the ground up?
When I was a race mechanic it was a standing joke I didn't do engines.
Actually I could and with my driver/mechanic we built race winning engines.
We just kept it quiet that we did it together. I just liked to keep it quiet that I knew how to assemble a race engine.
But we just assembled existing engines with good parts very carefully.
We never actually designed and built an engine.
We did design and build a fuel injection system but that was it.
So back to the beginning has anyone any experience in designing an engine?

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

Any word on F1 diesel engines?

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You know, the same though went through my mind.

Forget the 1.5L screamers of the 70's. These "tame" turbo engines will be strangled to 10k revs.

The show will go on but the days of roaring, ear splitting power will be replaced by the lean, clean, green, bubble-wrapped F1 that the FIA is detirmined to create.

The FIA would feel less of a need for gimmicks like push to pass if their other regulations like the engine freeze and the rev limit didn't limit overtaking opportunities!

The engine freeze is a joke. So is the rev limit.

If they want to limit the amount that an engine is modified they could always try something like force the teams to openly display their design modifications to the other teams/public should they want to modify their engine.

But restricting the amount of modification a team can do to an engine just means that the teams will be looking to modify the aerodynamics instead. Which means less possibility to overtake. Which it seems for the FIA, requires more gimmicks like Push to Pass.

I really hope that the engines are more powerful than current engines. Neither the drivers nor fans want to see cars with less power and more grip. They want to see drivers feathering the throttle in corners like Eau Rouge, they want to see the cars visibly on the limit and breaking traction.

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Originally Posted by skc

You know, the same though went through my mind.

Forget the 1.5L screamers of the 70's. These "tame" turbo engines will be strangled to 10k revs.

The show will go on but the days of roaring, ear splitting power will be replaced by the lean, clean, green, bubble-wrapped F1 that the FIA is detirmined to create.

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I feel your pain, but we do really have to get 'real'.

Like it or not, Oil will, one day, become a scarce commodity. More and more influential figures are beginning to talk about 'peak' oild production. We will have to be weened off its use (and face it folks, there is not a lot we rely on every day that is not made with the use directly or indirectly of oil sourced products).

Why should our beloved sport not become the breeding ground for technologies and solutions that will help us find ways of ensuring we have effective and practical transport modes for decades to come.....?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I feel your pain, but we do really have to get 'real'.

Like it or not, Oil will, one day, become a scarce commodity. More and more influential figures are beginning to talk about 'peak' oild production. We will have to be weened off its use (and face it folks, there is not a lot we rely on every day that is not made with the use directly or indirectly of oil sourced products).

Why should our beloved sport not become the breeding ground for technologies and solutions that will help us find ways of ensuring we have effective and practical transport modes for decades to come.....?

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or......

Just accept we're screwed and we are heading back to the stone age so may as well have fun whilst we can by burning the last of the black gold on V24's spinning at 30,000rpm producing 2,500bhp! ;)

The most important question - Are they going to get rid of the silly engine freeze and let teams develop their engines?

As for the formula itself, it does make some sense, there is a general movement in engine technology away from large displacement normally aspirated units, to smaller, fuel efficient and turbo charged. F1 is only following a trend that is already well under way.

They may well follow WRC in limiting the engines by means of limiting the air intake allowed? Toyota might be interested in competing then ;) (A little joke for those who know WRC history!)

I have a 1.6 turbo charged engine in my car, sadly not 750bhp!

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Originally Posted by Mark

The most important question - Are they going to get rid of the silly engine freeze and let teams develop their engines?

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The phrase 'engine parity' keeps popping up in relation to the new units, so yes, would assume after a few months the engines will be frozen - RUBBISH!

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They may well follow WRC in limiting the engines by means of limiting the air intake allowed? Toyota might be interested in competing then ;) (A little joke for those who know WRC history!)

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