EKi, as for Hawaii, the Americans under Clinton apologized to the Native Hawaiians for that. Maybe you would feel different if Finland actually conquered something...
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EKi, as for Hawaii, the Americans under Clinton apologized to the Native Hawaiians for that. Maybe you would feel different if Finland actually conquered something...
My grandfather was on a troop transport ship docked in New Guinea when he heard about the Japaneese surrender. He and all his fellow sailors went up on deck to celebrate, and were struck by an awe inspiring sight. Hundreds, maybe thousands of transport ships as far as the eye could see in various states of being loaded, all for the invasion of Japan. How many hundreds of thousands of men on both sides would have been killed with an all out invasion? Just look at the fact that we were still using Purple Hearts ordered for that invasion up through the first Gulf War.
No, despite the ravings of Anti-Americans like Eki, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, while horrific, SAVED more lives than it killed.
They did:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish...Karelia_(1941)
I don't know if Finland has apologized, but at least several Finnish political leaders spent years in prison after the war as war criminals and Finland paid $300 millions of war reparations to the Soviet Union.
Negotiations before an all-out invasion would have saved even more. As far as I know, the Japanese had practically all but surrendered already before the A-bombs and were ready for negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
The Queen of Wikipedia strikes again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Even if it was disputed in your world of rainbows and unicorns Japan had no claim whatsoever on Hawaii........So your argument is moot.
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Japan tried to negotiate a truce to save their genocidal asses. They were not ready to accept Unconditional Surrender which was the only option.
In your world Germany would still be under Nazi Control.
Nobody don't accept unconditional surrender if they have a chance to go on fighting. If you want to stop a war short and minimize losses on both sides, you shouldn't insist on unconditional surrender. Luckily the Americans were smart enough to let the Emperor keep his life, freedom and partly his position too, otherwise the Japanese would have fought to the death. After the Emperor surrendered, there was no other option for the Japanese but to surrender too. Afghanistan is different, there is no central figure who could surrender for the whole Afghanistan, or even the whole Taliban, and therefore the fighting will go on and on and on...Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
So you think it would have been a good Idea to leave the Nazis and the genocidal, Tojo Government in power?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
If you start a fight, then the tables turn and your opponent comes back strong... and then pulls a gun, cocks it and points it at your head, my advice would be to go for the unconditional surrender. But the Japanese elected to take two rounds to the head instead. That was their choice. Why would I feel sorry about that? They have no one but themselves to blame for what happened. And considering where they are now (and how they got there), I expect a "Thank you for rebuilding us after you had to destroy us, Uncle Sam." But I'll be damned if we should ever consider an apology for bombing them. If anything, they should apologize for bombing Pearl Harbor and for the atrocities they committed in Nanking and other places. But clearly, they're not going to do that. Screw 'em. They'll either get over it or they won't.
Lesson: don't let your mouth write checks that your azz can't cash. And if you start to lose, wave the white flag before your opponent polishes you off totally.
Strange, but there are sunken ships not far from me that can be dived from the shore, and German U-boats sunk them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
I also notice that you failed to mention that this instance was the first time the UN secretary general took part in such a ceremony. I'm sure this is evidence that they are just as evil as the US now.