IRL Safety Team = Epic Fail

Here's another mindset I see here often. "IRL bad. CART good". It's usually the same 3 or 4 guys too.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

There is an institutional mindset with the IRL I think that has caused them to just block out the reality that it was done better 15 years ago because THEY Didn't invent it. It was a CART thing..and god knows we don't like what they were about do we?

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

Here's another mindset I see here often. "IRL bad. CART good". It's usually the same 3 or 4 guys too.

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Those who live in glass houses....

seriously, like horsepower, this all gets down to cubic dollars - back in the day CART had it to spend... today the IRL does not....

The important thing is to do the best with what they have... it might not always measure up to some ideal- but they should do the best they can (I am not convinced that is what is happening right now - but I am in no position to judge....)

By "writing the check" I meant in human costs, not dollars. Sorry, I should have been clearer. Didn't CART lose a couple of marshalls over the years? All I'm saying is there is a reason why the safety crew waits before entering the track.

Again, the cost in human lives is something you can't put a price on. Ripping a truck full of guys onto a hot track has disaster written all over it.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I don't have to write the check.

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

You want to talk about what would put an end to a series? How about having an Indycar rear end a safety truck full of rescuers at 175 mph because they just couldn't wait an extra 30 seconds to get to a crash scene?

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I am sorry, boot me from the forum if you want Starter, but this has to be the STUPIDEST statement I have ever seen on these forums. Do you really think the ONLY alternative is to allow this idiotic delay while the pace car picks up the field? On board yellow flashing lights or radio to the teams combined with a waving "emergency vehicle on course" flag can put the field under control a hell of a lot faster than a damn pace car.

You are pretty callous saying 30 seconds is acceptable. But the reality is if we have to wait for a pace car, it will be longer than 30 seconds at some tracks.

Gary

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

Here's another mindset I see here often. "IRL bad. CART good". It's usually the same 3 or 4 guys too.

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And there is the problem. You see any comparison like that and the "red mist" sets in. You think any mention of the IRL and CART in the same sentence is a drumming up of the old war. Guess what bud, it isn't. It is a comparison, nothing more, nothing less.

Gary

Look who started the thread. Is he a fan of the IRL in any way, shape or form? Does he currently post on the hate site? Answer honestly.

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Originally Posted by garyshell

And there is the problem. You see any comparison like that and the "red mist" sets in. You think any mention of the IRL and CART in the same sentence is a drumming up of the old war. Guess what bud, it isn't. It is a comparison, nothing more, nothing less.

Gary

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Stupid in your opinion. It's easy for you to sit at home and take pot shots at safety procedures. It's a whole different matter when you actually have to take responsibility for what happens on the track to the drivers and the course workers, both legally and morally.

Again, how many IRL drivers have been killed or seriously injured because of slow (in your opinion) safety team procedures? And how many marshals or members of the safety crew have been injured or killed in that same time?

I know of at least two incidents where course workers were killed at CART events. And what, three or four drivers? I'm just saying if you take a deep breath, remove personal agendas and bias out of the agenda and only look at the facts the IRL's safety crew and safety procedurees have on whole done at least as good of a job as CART in helping the drivers while at the same time keeping the course workers safe.

It's not an easy job. It's an imperfect situation. Changes are made when it becomes appartent that there is a better way to do things. But series officials have to be careful to create an even more dangerous situation when making safety procedure changes.

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Originally Posted by garyshell

I am sorry, boot me from the forum if you want Starter, but this has to be the STUPIDEST statement I have ever seen on these forums. Do you really think the ONLY alternative is to allow this idiotic delay while the pace car picks up the field? On board yellow flashing lights or radio to the teams combined with a waving "emergency vehicle on course" flag can put the field under control a hell of a lot faster than a damn pace car.

You are pretty callous saying 30 seconds is acceptable. But the reality is if we have to wait for a pace car, it will be longer than 30 seconds at some tracks.

Gary

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

Look who started the thread. Is he a fan of the IRL in any way, shape or form? Does he currently post on the hate site? Answer honestly.

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Who gives a rat's @$$ who STARTED the thread. You sound like a 5 year old. "Mommy, Mommy he hit me first." Pathetic.

You didn't say anything in your message (quoted below) about directing your response at one person and several folks here mentioned the IRL and CART.

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

Here's another mindset I see here often. "IRL bad. CART good". It's usually the same 3 or 4 guys too.

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Gary

You like calling names, don't you? How about just addressing the actual facts of the situatuion?

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Who gives a rat's @$$ who STARTED the thread. You sound like a 5 year old. "Mommy, Mommy he hit me first." Pathetic.

You didn't say anything in your message (quoted below) about directing your response at one person and several folks here mentioned the IRL and CART.



Gary

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

Changes are made when it becomes appartent that there is a better way to do things.

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Again it doesn't matter how many were or were not killed. Here is a chance to make a change because there is an OBVIOUSLY better way to do it. Wave an "emergency vehicle on track" flag at all stations.

I don't have to remove all "agenda and bias", there never was one in my thinking that the response time to the last two incidents was unacceptable when there is clearly a better way.

You may think you are the only one without bias here. Some of us know better.

Gary