I was just joking around too. I think you and I talked about R/C car racing several years ago. But at least with R/C cars, Danica could blame a bad radio signal (equipment) when she was slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by bblocker68
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I was just joking around too. I think you and I talked about R/C car racing several years ago. But at least with R/C cars, Danica could blame a bad radio signal (equipment) when she was slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by bblocker68
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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I agreed with most of what you said, but I quibble with your paragraph it doesn't look good for the IRL if she fails. Those naive enough to believe because Danica sucks at NASCAR, therefore all IRL drivers suck are not buying into the sport anyhow. They are NASCAR only type of guys, and they like Lee Roy believe no one in the IRL is worth a damn just based on the fact they are not in NASCAR. In short, anyone dumb enough to buy the myth isn't going to be swayed by reason. Tony Stewart is an IRL champion, and he did just fine in NASCAR. Juan Pablo Montoya won a CART championship and was a F1 contender, but I don't see anyone in NASCAR holding him up as evidence of failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachbum
The IRL's perception of being the weaker series is based on TV ratings and popularity, not on actual evidence in terms of anything substantial. Danica is however so big a story in the eyes of the idiots at ESPN and now Fox, that they may add fuel to the fire, but again, I think anyone dumb enough to believe in her ability as being typical of the IRL is ignoring the evidence. THAT being, she does well when her team figures a way to put a car under her, and it is a race where attrition matters, not racing people hard. She has on occasion shown some of this in the IRL, and to her credit, at Texas she looked pretty racy, but she also blocked like mad and has no respect among her fellow drivers in the IRL from what I have seen. I think anyone paying attention (difficult for some in the NASCAR universe) will know that Danica is not anything typical for an IRL driver in terms of skill, experience or ability.
The two forms of racing are racing, and involve cars, and it is about there the simliarities end....
Mark, I find your comments well thought out and reasonable and this comment basically nails the whole problem with Danimania.
IMHO, there are a great many people dumb enough to believe she IS representative of the IRL. They think she is just fantastic and regularly bring out the usual polished t*rds to prove their point. If you believe some of what you read and hear, she is the savior of the IRL and a small step away from greatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
The fact that you and I think that is not accurate doesn't mean much to the polishers. Your description of her ability to race is very accurate, yet the media reports things like "another top 10 for Danica at Iowa" like it is a great accomplishment - failing to mention she was the last car a lap down. It is all in the "presentation", not the actual facts. Many NASCAR types only know what they have read in their media. Read some of that "journalism" and you would think she is going to show up and give the "boys" a lesson.
While that may not directly reflect on the IRL, there will be plenty who will jump all over a dismal failure. There were more that a few clueless naysayers who suggested that since a champion like Dario couldn't "cut it", the competition in the IRl can't be very good. They are wrong, but being wrong never matters to some people.
Oh I know all about the NASCAR media types. All they understand is NASCAR and feeding the hype a lot of them. Then there was guys like the late David Poole who really didn't go with the orthodoxy. I miss him at this point, because I am sure he would break down what was going on. Nate Ryan of USA today covers both the IRL and NASCAR, and I have never gotten the feeling he gives Danica the glowing praise either.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachbum
There is however an overwhelming mindset in NASCAR land who are just ignorant of the IRL, and many IRL fans who deride NASCAR. I find neither are right, and it is when there are times like this when someone needs to say what needs to be said. Danica Patrick is at BEST an average IRL talent on ovals, and less than average on road courses. She is going to NASCAR, where she will fight, struggle and never grasp what it is to be comfortable driving a very loose race car fast. The Danica polishers will be stuck for a reason because they dont' seem to understand why she is failing, and the Danica haters will just assume women cannot cut it. Nothing is further from the truth in the latter, and in the case of the former, it serves ESPN and the apple polishers RIGHT for hitching their media train to that lady....
The worst part of all of this is no one will learn one damn thing....
The two worlds of the two forms of racing don't understand each other, and the idiots at ESPN have done nothing to educate America about the two distinct forms of discipline required to succeed in each level because they figure y'all are too stupid to grasp it.
There is utter contempt for the viewer at home IMO, and it only a few smart people on SPEED and occasionally with some of the VS guys who get it....
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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
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Well said. I have nothing to add to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
The best line - "The worst part of all of this is no one will learn one damn thing...."
Relative to skill the damage was done to the IRL by Sam Hornish in particular (an Indy 500 winner and champion who is an also ran in NASCAR). There is a pretty long list of other successful open wheelers who have utterly failed at NASCAR. There is already plenty of "evidence" for those who wish to think NASCAR drivers are "better" - what Danica does will not make a difference.... Her failure might be a big setback for women racers in NASCAR but not much else....
Hornish I would wager isn't that good an OW driver. YES...I said it. He drove for the best team in the IRL when 20 car fields were filled with people just hanging on, and they didn't run road courses. I am not saying Hornish sucks, but I would say he would be in tough to win now if he came back to the IRL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
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Originally Posted by Redstorm