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Kentucky derby

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Until recently The Derby wasn't a part of any series. It was a stand alone event that some people banded together in a mythical triple crown. it is only the past few years has it been an "Official" Triple crown. Either way the Derby is the Start

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Michigan vs Ohio state

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A regional event that gained importance because it usually meant the winner of the game also won the conference Championship and a Bid to the Grand-daddy of all bowl games.
Today it is of lesser importance and still a regional event. yea I know it is huge in Mich and Ohio. But it hold no more attraction in Florida than the Miami/F.S.U. game does in Michigan or Ohio.

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university of Utah vs byu

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Nobody cares outside of Utah. I don't think it is nationally broadcasted.

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Olympics

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Not part of a series. Only once every 4 years. Win in your event and you are the best. It is a championship.

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tour defrance

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Stand alone event. Not part of a series.

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I'm sure there others

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

As for the assertion you cant build a sport around one event, gee, Horse racing builds it around 4 in the US, Tennis builds it basically around 4, one of which is played on US soil, Golf is everywhere, but it is wallpaper except for the 4 majors, and one event stands out in NASCAR to the extent that making that race can begin or end careers.

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Sorry Mark but none that you have mention follow the formula that the IRL does.

Horse racing doesn't have the "Kentucky Derby Series". Tennis doesn't run the Wimbledon tour. It isn't the Professional "Masters" Golf Association. And it isn't the race for the Daytona Cup.

None of those series you mention rely on and hitch themselves a ride on a single event that hold no special meaning besides tradition. You even stated that Golf and Tennis have more than one Marquee event.
Even Sports like the NFL and Baseball have their big match-ups. When the Yankees play the Red Sox there is rarely a seat available but they call it the American League. Not The Yankees vs. Red sox league.


Currently The ILR names their series after the City where the Indy 500 takes place.
That event doesn't start the season like the Daytona 500.
It doesn't decide the championship like a Super Bowl

It can best be compared to F1's Monaco GP. It isn't the best race. It is part of the tradition, It is it's most famous event, Financially it is one of the most successful race on the schedule, and it would be hard to imagine F1 without it.

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It is called the Formula One World Driving Championship.
Not the Monaco Racing league racing in Monaco-Cars.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Sorry Mark but none that you have mention follow the formula that the IRL does.

Horse racing doesn't have the "Kentucky Derby Series". Tennis doesn't run the Wimbledon tour. It isn't the Professional "Masters" Golf Association. And it isn't the race for the Daytona Cup.

None of those series you mention rely on and hitch themselves a ride on a single event that hold no special meaning besides tradition. You even stated that Golf and Tennis have more than one Marquee event.
Even Sports like the NFL and Baseball have their big match-ups. When the Yankees play the Red Sox there is rarely a seat available but they call it the American League. Not The Yankees vs. Red sox league.


Currently The ILR names their series after the City where the Indy 500 takes place.
That event doesn't start the season like the Daytona 500.
It doesn't decide the championship like a Super Bowl

It can best be compared to F1's Monaco GP. It isn't the best race. It is part of the tradition, It is it's most famous event, Financially it is one of the most successful race on the schedule, and it would be hard to imagine F1 without it.

But

It is called the Formula One World Driving Championship.
Not the Monaco Racing league racing in Monaco-Cars.

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You love splitting hairs don't you? Call it whatever you want, but the series doesn't survive without Indy, and Indy isn't viable without the series. If an OW series WAS viable without Indy, CART wouldn't have folded its' tent.

The marquee event is the Indy 500 but it isn't the only event. The rest of the series may not match Indy, but the only race that gets decent TV numbers and is hence worthy of side pod support for a lot of teams IS Indy.

It is a symbiotic relationship that was screwed up by a greedy and vain man...

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Until recently The Derby wasn't a part of any series. It was a stand alone event that some people banded together in a mythical triple crown. it is only the past few years has it been an "Official" Triple crown. Either way the Derby is the Start



A regional event that gained importance because it usually meant the winner of the game also won the conference Championship and a Bid to the Grand-daddy of all bowl games.
Today it is of lesser importance and still a regional event. yea I know it is huge in Mich and Ohio. But it hold no more attraction in Florida than the Miami/F.S.U. game does in Michigan or Ohio.


Nobody cares outside of Utah. I don't think it is nationally broadcasted.


Not part of a series. Only once every 4 years. Win in your event and you are the best. It is a championship.


Stand alone event. Not part of a series.

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your silly....

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

but the series doesn't survive without Indy, and Indy isn't viable without the series. I.

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wasn't Indy a stand alone event until leveraged by the IRL?

it seemed to be doing just fine up until then

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wasn't Indy a stand alone event until leveraged by the IRL?

it seemed to be doing just fine up until then

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Was a part of the CART Championship since CART's inception.


I think you guys are not getting what I am saying.

Pretty much everyone in the US knows what is the Indy 500.
It's popularity, attendance and TV ratings has been in a decline for some time.

Why is naming your series after it a good thing?

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Was a part of the CART Championship since CART's inception.


I think you guys are not getting what I am saying.

Pretty much everyone in the US knows what is the Indy 500.
It's popularity, attendance and TV ratings has been in a decline for some time.

Why is naming your series after it a good thing?

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I dont think your getting mine.... I never said it was

Without Indy we saw what happened. Everybody knows that the series is Indycar. CART is a ridiculous name. Champcar even more. Indycar has a ring in it.
Like Le Mans series.

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Was a part of the CART Championship since CART's inception.

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Wrong. The Indy 500 was NEVER a part of CART and the term "CART" was NEVER a part of the month of May, if you ever went to the track. CART used the Indy 500 to give its series relevence and importance and the Indy 500 used CART's participants to add teams and drivers to the race.

Without the Indy 500, there would be NO teams, NO sponsors and NO sport. Period.

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Why is naming your series after it a good thing?

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For a "reporter" you seem to be rather clueless as to the business model of AOWR (or most professional racing). The business model runs on cash from Madison Ave., plain and simple. Like it or not, without the Indy 500 the number of Madison Ave. firms interested would drop like a rock. Witness what happened to CART/ChampCar after the split. They left in drove. And as the prestige of the Indy 500 has wanned, so to has the interest of Madison Ave. Take the 500 out of the picture and the cash flow all but disappears.

For the other side of the coin, the cost of putting a team together has grown so much over the years that the idea of doing so for a single race doesn't make much financial sense. Sure there are a handful who do each year but most seem to partner with an exiting team. But fielding 33 one off cars if it is the only race of the year would be a VERY daunting task.

Gary