As many supporters of other political forces :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
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As many supporters of other political forces :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
They are Boat, and the thing is, they are the people suffering but it would all be swept out tomorrow if the Chinese stopped propping up the regime there....Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
AS for the assertion Eki picks and chooses when he supports the UN, I notice he only ignores the UN when they actually accomplish a task that is within the original mandate of why they were founded or enforces a resolultion. He is all about having the UN, but not big on them actually doing some good...instead of just talking about it..
And in the Finnish Civil War the "Red" Finland invaded the "White" Finland with Russian support and Swedish volunteers and German troops came to aid the "White" Finland. Or was it the vice versa ... I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
The US trumps the UN as we all know since the Iraq invasion of 2003. If the US says "jump", the UN will ask "how high" and then mumble something in disagreement behind the back of the US.
Really? You are kidding right? The UN didn't want Bush in Iraq to enforce THEIR resolution. Hans Blix didn't agree with Dubya. Kofi Annan's son was hassled and put on charges through the US, not through the UN for the oil-for-food scam. America almost NEVER gets along with the UN. The UN Gen Assembly is full of people who think pretty similar to you Eki...and it is the reason many in the US would LOVE to see the UN banished to Siberia or some place that wants it.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Don't give me this crap about the UN being an American lap dog Eki, it really hasn't since the 50's done much that the American's want except get in the way...
Still the UN didn't do anything to stop the US from invading. At least the UN predecessor the League of Nations expelled the Soviet Union for invading Finland in 1939:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_war
Double standards?Quote:
The Winter War (Finnish: talvisota, Swedish: vinterkriget, Russian: Зимняя война ;) [18] was a military conflict between the Soviet Union and Finland. It began with a Soviet offensive on 30 November 1939—three months after the start of World War II and the Soviet invasion of Poland—and ended on 13 March 1940 with the Moscow Peace Treaty. The League of Nations deemed the attack illegal and expelled the Soviet Union on 14 December 1939.
Put troops down in Darfur and Rwanda? Whats in those 2 countries that is of vital interest? Nothing , thats why they never got any help....Whats down near Haiti thats of vital interest?? Lets see Russia and China making a presence in that area (south america) for starters..oh and let not forget the USA's best buddy Mr Chavez!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Eki we are talking the Koreas not Finland. Quit trying to weasel out of your untenable position.
Steve what are you blathering about over Haiti? The country has nothing and is devastated. There are people and troops there from all over the free world.
Humanitarian aid is coming from all sorts of private people, not just countries.
Sure there are combat troops there from the US (and Canada) to keep order in a country that lost most of its police force.
Well lets hope the people get the help they need...thats the most important thing at the end of the dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
Holey crap....Clinton and Bush took HEAT from the chattering classes for NOT doing something in Rwanda and Darfur and took heat from the same people for Iraq. My point is the US is damend if they do, damned if they don't. Now you condemn the US for being in Haiti. I guess you better put Canada and Brazil in there as conquerers too, because we both have troops in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_spackman
My point has been always is the USA is always wrong. If they get involved somewhere, whether they have a noble goal or just a goal, they are wrong, and then they get slammed for helping poor nations with nothing. There were people slagging Clinton moving the Marines into Somaila because it was a failed state and then all over him for pulling them OUT less than a year later.
If you hate the Americans like you and Eki seem to Steve, then nothing they do outside there borders is ever justified now is it?
AS for you Eki, the Soviet Union was tossed out of the League for invading Finland but that happened to be more feckless than the useless UN. THe reason the USA isn't tossed should be obvious. 1/3 of the Budget of the UN comes from the USA. Believe me, there a ton of Americans that would love it shipped to Helsinki or some other "englightened" capital and they could just get out of it. Believe me, Americans on the citizen level probably would vote to get the heck out of the UN. As a Canadian, I would love to see the Americans out and Canada out, but I know the latter would never happen...