What is wrong with some people? A story from Uganda

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Originally Posted by Eki

Many of them can, since many of them have reproduced while being "in the closet". This isn't either this or that case either (or you're either with us or against us case). For most it's something in between.

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Eki, they reproduced the old fashioned hetero way. Two men together will not get preggers, so it is in theory, an evolutionary dead end, as is two lesbians. It isn't a judgement, it is just the reality of it. Evolution for whatever reason has happened with humans in the last 2000 years to create a small percentage of people with their sexual wires crossed. No point in discriminating against them, but don't see a point in glorifying this either. It is what it is....and at least in my nation and yours, it is ok to be gay (as Seinfeld said: "not that there is anything wrong with it.").

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Maybe being BI is a choice, but one only has to talk to a Gay male in particular to realize no one would subject themselves to that much potential abuse as a fashionable decision.

I agree Dylan, I suspect it is a gene gone astray that causes it. IT isn't a logical evolution of DNA, but rather a dead end since Gays cannot obviously reproduce.

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This doesn't mean that animals can't be homosexual and not reproduce. I bet there is some breeding in the animal kingdom due to a straight animal raping a homosexual animal :erm:

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Originally Posted by Macd

So, While it was law in the USA keeping the blacks down was ok, cos noone opposed that....

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That is correct, under the law. Laws and legal rights often do not fit every individual's idea of what is moral or morally right.

Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual. The only choice they have is whether to live as a homosexual or remain in the closet and endure a thoroughly miserable existence. Thankfully, the former is becoming more acceptable so the latter has become rarer.

I'm straight. I didn't choose to be, I just am. Anybody who thinks that there is a choice to be made about one's sexuality must be bi-sexual.

Personally I am very much against the people who are against homosexuality, if you see what I mean!

What right does anyone have to tell someone else who they can and cannot have a relationship with? It's those intolerant people who should be expelled from any decent society.

Quite frankly I'm disgusted at some of the attitudes shown on this thread.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Personally I am very much against the people who are against homosexuality, if you see what I mean!

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Homophobophobic?

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Originally Posted by Mark

It's those intolerant people who should be expelled from any decent society.

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Right. In any decent society tolerant people should not tolerate the intolerant ones!

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

Right. In any decent society tolerant people should not tolerate the intolerant ones!

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Yeah, hang the intolerencers! I do like a bit of recursion.

"Don't hate nothing at all, except hatred..."

-Bob Dylan aka The incredible Zimmerman

I will assume my "attitude" is the one so despicible here and I'm really puzzled as to why. I have already stated that one's sexual choice is of no concern to me, and it isn't. What I have referred to as homosexual by choice has now been redefined as bisexual. Okay, I'll except that from this vast panel of experts but if you get caught indulging your bisexual whims in Iran, I don't think they will accept the argument that you just do this for fun every now and then. I'll accept that fulltime homosexuality is a genetic problem if you accept that some homosexuality is practiced on a hedonistic whim of one or more of the participants. The fact that there are people that have been in homosexual relationships over a long term and then moved on to a heterosexual leads me to believe that choices can be made. Actress Ann Heche (sp?) comes to mind.

Other than that, my comments have been more from the "devil's advocate" viewpoint about what governments can do and will do. The Ugandan government is doing what it feels it needs to do about something they see to be a major problem and I'd bet a big part of it concerns AIDS regardless of whether Dylan H approves of it or not.

Just as you are gobsmacked that a society could be so intolerant of such things you believe to be harmless, there are societies that are equally gobsmacked you could be so tolerant pf things they believe will destroy you.

As far as I go, you can go back through my entire history on this forum and not find anything where my personal opinion has been for homosexuality or against homosexuality. I just don't care. To me, it's not an issue.

This thread was about how Uganda could do such a thing. That is what I attempted to answer.

The real answer should probably be "It's Uganda, what did you expect?"

Yea and just think - without them
Very little would be going on in Hollywood
San Francisco and Seattle would be rural communities
The EU would be a developing nation
We would have no democratic party.
All women would pull their hair back into a ponytail
Vancouver BC would be a small fishing village

How am I doing Mark?? :)