Let me get this straight: MotorsTV is replacing Eurosport coverage right. So the national programmes like on DAVE will not be affected by this? Or is MotorsTV now the exclusive broadcast partner in Europe?
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Let me get this straight: MotorsTV is replacing Eurosport coverage right. So the national programmes like on DAVE will not be affected by this? Or is MotorsTV now the exclusive broadcast partner in Europe?
this side help?Quote:
Originally Posted by General Prim
How to receive Motors TV
As far as I can work out:
- Eurosport no longer showing WRC in 2010 (certainly UK, possibly Europe-wide). Arguably to do with their IRC bias & unreliable scheduling
- ISC seeking individual deals with national broadcasters to replace blanket Eurosport deal
- MotorsTV in UK gets daily 48min highlights package, footage substantially bulked-out from existing daily 26min highlights package with onboards, aimed at rally purists
- Dave continues for 2010 with entertainment/magazine WRC show on Sundays of events, aimed at casual viewer/general petrolhead
You're not the only one. :) Just think the increased exitement while watching live onboard - you don't know what will happen!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Let's think that you've watched someone for few kms and the driving is very, very aggressive. You gasp air few times because of close calls. Then one corner again, bit too much cutting, car hits a rock and goes to a violent roll. You say "Ohh!" just on the same second as the crew does. Damn, are they okay? "Are you okay? Are you okay?" "Yes, I'm fine. I'll radio the supervisor, you get out and warn the next one.. Remember to take the OK sign!" Then switching the view to the next car...
No, I don't want accidents to happen but I used a bit non-normal situation to describe the system. That would be just like sitting in the backseat.
No doubt onboards are important and have their place. That action you speak of sounds like something we would have seen 10-15 years ago. You still get some thrilling onboards in Finland but apart from that. The cars just aren't exciting enough. It's not often you can really see from an onboard that someone is being aggressive IMO. They are a nice way of conveying speed though, that I will say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
If someone is going to roll spectacularly I'm of the school of thought where I'd rather see it from the outside. That is where all the iconic rallying moments really come from, seeing a car sliding on maximum attack - rather than looking through a windscreen. That is why I would prefer more cameramen in the stages. Ideally get a heli up. Any wild moment I see through an onboard camera, my first reaction is I hope someone got some footage of that from the outside.
They showed Urmo Aava go off in Ireland this year from an onboard camera. I still have literally no idea how that accident came about. It just didnt give me enough information. Perfect example of how onboards should be used is 2002, Roman Kresta on the Monte. They show the onboard footage of a fairly small crash into a wall. Then you see the full insane scale via helicopter of the plunging drop below. I just dont see how you can convey rallying's great events from the inside.
That's just a bit of a rant and not really directed at you Juha_Koo. I'm just frustrated that they appear to have a great new extended time slot and they are just going to fill it with monotonous onboard footage. It's lazy IMO.
Okay, I'll too have to start by saying that there's nothing personal here. :) Just different opinions on different matters. But I can't help myself bringing out my views for some of your points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
What's up with that action bit? We have action nowdays. I also think that Finland is not the only country that produces great onboards. This year we had Ireland, Norway, Poland, Australia and many others that produced great onboards. I tend to appreciate different kind of onboards, I'd say my "specialities" are bumpy tarmac and high speed gravel. I just don't watch onboards to see the driving itself, but to see the stage charecteristics.
And thanks to the fact that we have the fastest rally cars in the rallying history the footage is really spectacular. As for the comment about not being able to see who is aggressive and who is not... I can only say that you haven't watched enough of onboards... Because I can always tell is the driver pushing or not.
Onboards also pay tribute to the unsung heroes of rallying: the codrivers. I'll have to admit that one of the main reasons why I watch onboards is the possibility to hear (and see) the codrivers in action and seeing different pace note systems in action. As a side hobby, I've started to investigate the differences in pace notes in different languages. I can completely understand pacenotes read in five different languages and if I take the I-can-understand-some-bits to the counting, the figure goes up like a rocket.
I always think just the opposite about the footage in case of a mishap. :D But ofcourse I love external shots as well. But for me, the commentary by the crew tells dozen times more than commentator's "Ohhhh and it's rally over for them!" comments. But I also agree on the helicam matter. More of that please.
As for the Aava's off, it was a pretty clear case. There wasn't enough information in the notes about the slippy corner, Urmo came to the corner at a normal speed and lost the back end very quickly like usually on wet tarmac. Counter-steer came tenth of a second too late and when the slide ended there wasn't enough room on the narrow road for the car to straighten and left-hand wheels dropped in to a water drain.
Onboard cameras doesnīt exclude outside filming as usually is been doing. Itīs just the complement thatīs missing, I think.
Juha_Koo I do agrre with your description you gave.... ;)
You must love the IRC, because that is exactly what they have been doing this year.
One of them only works in Galicia, and the other one has limited coverage through the country, so I think I'll have to thank Eurosport for making of me a Curling and Snooker fan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzerflitzer
And as some of you said, the last thing that WRC TV coverage needs is more onboard cameras... Nowadays, they put them near three meters from the windscreen, so we can't watch anything!
A guy on Russian Eurosport just confirmed that there will be NO WRC coverage at all next year on Eurosport.