Where have train drivers gone?

So, are today's WRC cars easier to drive, or not?
I'm little confused here.

For sure i with my time on Playstation i think i would do better in a wrc than a N4

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Originally Posted by jparker

So, are today's WRC cars easier to drive, or not?
I'm little confused here.

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Easier - compared to what?

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Originally Posted by imull

you put a car sideways and you will stop quicker than under brakes especially in snow as it builds up a pile infront of the wheels..........

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It doesnt do much when driving on snow, snow doesnt have the same qualities as gravel at all.. the only snow piles that will stop you will most likely get you stuck too :P

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Originally Posted by Toto

It doesnt do much when driving on snow, snow doesnt have the same qualities as gravel at all.. the only snow piles that will stop you will most likely get you stuck too :P

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Even with studded tyres?

When flicking under braking, the rear wheels are not in the tracks that the front wheels have created. Thus the resistance is bigger. Now it would be good if I could try it out too. :)

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Originally Posted by pentti

Even with studded tyres?

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Yes, anyting can get stuck in big piles of snow, even with very long studs, if thats what you mean :D

Ofcourse if you are fully sideways and much snow is forced against the tires it can help somewhat, but who brakes fully sideways by the way? :D , well usually people who have paniced and are heading for the ditch :P
For this to make best result I figure the snow should be heavy so it must be more than 0+ degrees so its mild snow and the road ofcourse not ploughed

The best winter tires would be to have them look like feeder rolls that are on forestharvesters, that I would call grip :D

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Originally Posted by Toto

Yes, anyting can get stuck in big piles of snow, even with very long studs, if thats what you mean :D

Ofcourse if you are fully sideways and much snow is forced against the tires it can help somewhat, but who brakes fully sideways by the way? :D , well usually people who have paniced and are heading for the ditch :P
For this to make best result I figure the snow should be heavy so it must be more than 0+ degrees so its mild snow and the road ofcourse not ploughed

The best winter tires would be to have them look like feeder rolls that are on forestharvesters, that I would call grip :D

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I think Pentti meant that with studded tyres you have better grip than with gravel tyres on gravel.

I remember,sometime back between fire and the wheel,discovering the 'flick'. I came fast into an 'S" corner not realizing that's what it was - no pace notes. Came into right hand bit quite fast - couldn't see whole corner set because of trees and bank - all nice and sideways. Then - Oh Sh!t - it goes left. So,desperation being the mother of invention,got hard on the brakes just for an instant,came off brakes,back on throttle judiciously and turned left- more or less all at the same time. I came shooting out of the last bit all nice and sideways thankful I didn't have to rebuild the car - again - and thinking - What the hell was that ?? Then I got this evil little grin - damn - that works great !! - and Fun fun fun. Took a while,with practice,to get it right anytime . Trouble with doing the flick amongst big fir trees is you better get it right - the alternative really sucks. It can't be done without full committment. It was a momentous experience,akin to losing your virginity.