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How much weaker is a championship that has Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BrawnGP, RedBUll, Toyota and STR without Williams and Force India?!
You dare compare the FOTA teams with Williams and Force India? Don't forget that USF1, Manor and Campos don't even have the wheels for their Deluxe f3 cars.
It's amazing how snobbish a lot of people are about the new teams. How do you think McLaren, Ferrari, etc started?Quote:
Originally Posted by Powered by Cosworth
Also BMW was Sauber, Force India was Jordan, privateer teams. Really McLaren and Ferrari should be seen as independents, because they only make cars to fund F1, or at least that used to be Ferrari's aim.
Anyway, Campos are dominating GP2, and I hope F1 does get 10-13 teams, because then we may see a proper racing series devoid of scheming and favouritism.
Ioan, you know I don't hate Ferrari, they just get on my nerves. We all know Max is an idiot but the FOTA teams are behaving childishly to be honest. Anyway, we know the saying, if you don't like it get out, and they have. Disappointed in Brawn and RBR/STR, the independent teams should stick together.
I'm not sure about who owns what, but Bernie is president of FOM? If he decided to jump ship, I'm sure he could just tip-ex out Formula One from the contracts and write in FOTA-1 or whatever it'll be called? No? I haven't a clue really, I can imagine its a complete mess of contracts and who owns what etc..
On sheer grid numbers it is 20% weaker. And I'd happily compare Williams to any of those FOTA teams with the exception of McLaren and Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Of course looking the two camps you can clearly see the FOTA championship has the better team and driver line-up, but in no way would it ever be as strong as one unified F1 championship.
Well, I hope you will love USF1, Campos f1 and Manor whatever!Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
Care to elaborate?!Quote:
Originally Posted by VkmSpouge
Please do list the 10 FIA teams!
Not really!Quote:
Originally Posted by Powered by Cosworth
CVC own F1 rights and FOTA doesn't want to pay for their debts, so no there will be no CVC FOTA contract.
Why not? Why should we not love these teams as much as the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I'm annoyed with this as much as you. I've grown up with McLaren, Ferrari, (BMW) Sauber, Toyota, Renault, etc, but there were times when those teams struggled and were small, and had no money.
This notion of 'Formula GP3' is a disgrace, and these comments were made by people who should know better. Not to pick on Alonso, but he drove for Minardi at first. A VERY small team who did well just to compete. I dare say most of the new teams will be more competitive than Minardi even in their first year. (I loved Minardi I'm just making a point.)
Mark Webber drove for Minardi. Massa drove for Sauber. As did Raikkonen. Glock drove for Jordan. Trulli drove for Minardi. Heidfeld drove for Jordan at their lowest point.
All the aforementioned guys, and anyone else with the same situation shouldn't be mocking and frankly insulting these new teams. People didn't say the same about Super Aguri, Midland, Spyker, Force India (I know the last three were the same team).
Give the new guys a chance and see what they can make of their opportunity. This is THE chance to cement their legacy.
*wonders if they still have that GPWC trademark lying around...*
Nor does he have an F3d contract. He's out of contract at the end of the season, and BMW were rumoured to be going after himQuote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
How long before FOTA collapses??
They have, in their eyes, a common enemy at the moment and that's what holds them together.
When they are the ones running the sport week in and week out it'll be a different matter.
Can you just imagine the in fighting between the teams if they are running the show between them, sheer madness.
Next season is certainly going to be interesting, that's for sure.
I wish both series well, if it does in fact happen.