Webber V Vettel no white wash yet

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Originally Posted by ioan

Got a problem with drivers having a personality?! Looks like that to me.

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No I don't.

Senna once told Mansell "now you know why I'm B'stard". I'm happy to live with that because that's what it takes to be successful in F1 these days.

People who think Vettel is a Mr Nice Guy are clearly delusional.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Fettel is over-rated, and Mark maybe a little under.
I think the guy (Fettel) reads his own news clippings to much.
Mark is utilitarian, showing that with a decent car he's got the goods.
No big surprise to me if MW outscores Fettel.
In fact I'd be willing to bet on it! :s mokin:

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You're on!

I'll be in the mood for a Big Kahuna burger by the end of this season.

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Originally Posted by ioan

They have no chance whatsoever this year for the drivers title, maybe the constructors one given how poor Ruby is driving every 2nd GP.

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They have a chance, not a great chance, but a chance .... first mechanical for a Brawn this weekend, who knows? In fact, they are further behind in the constructors championship than they are in the Driver's, so that logic doesn't work out for you so well either.

Webber has in the past few years seemed quite a heidfeldesque driver (I mean his pre-08 form here) - hardly "spectacular", but keeps racking up consistently good results all the time. It's quite interesting, because up-and-including 2006 Webber seemed more like current Vettel - on his day spectacular, but more prone to mistakes (and he had a lot of unluck as well).

In that respect current duel reminds a of bit of Kubica (fast and inexperienced) vs Heidfeld (experienced, consistent) from 2006-2007.

I've to say that overall Vettel is a bit more impressive than Webber, although their battle is of course quite close. The fact that Vettel has had Webber nicely under control in qualis - area, which has usually been MW's strength - is quite telling. Dodgy strategies haven't helped SV either. If Webber had already lost two races to Vettel due to strategy, the amount of complaints on this forum would be unbearable. :p : But here people tend not to take much notice of Vettel's poor strategies and keep saying, how more experienced Webber is showing him up - nah...

I am sure SV will out score Webber this year.and if RBR make it difficult for SV ,then lots of doors will be open for him with his youth and ability,whereas not as many doors will be open for the Australian
Ferrari would sign Vettel with Alonso

What Mister Max has to do with this I will never know.

SV, IMO is better, and will be soon, much better than MW ever had the potential to be.

I got a question (or two) for ya'll.
Is there any truth to the rumor, that MW was only hired in exchange for Renault engines?

SV also took out MW at his only chance for a win, any love lost there?
China's post race interviews seemed a bit loveless from MW's side.

Any truth to this?

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Originally Posted by tintop

They have a chance, not a great chance, but a chance .... first mechanical for a Brawn this weekend, who knows? In fact, they are further behind in the constructors championship than they are in the Driver's, so that logic doesn't work out for you so well either.

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They score with 2 drivers/team in the constructors championship so as long as they lose they lose more as soon as they win they win more, and luckily for them Ruby is past his sell by date.

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Originally Posted by ioan

They score with 2 drivers/team in the constructors championship so as long as they lose they lose more as soon as they win they win more, and luckily for them Ruby is past his sell by date.

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Interesting analysis.

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Originally Posted by Koz

China's post race interviews seemed a bit loveless from MW's side.

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it did look that way, but it seemed from the body language mark exhibited in chatting w/ Jensen they were more bemused that Sv kept getting asked repeated questions at their expense - funnily enough the same question kept being asked of SV his straight forward answers were nice to hear (yes i'm upset but what can you do? All said with huge grin on face)

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Originally Posted by henners88

Admittedly his mistake in Turkey came across as careless, but the first lap of any race is always difficult with tires that are not up to temperature. I think he pushed just abit too hard, and had that not happened, I think he would have kept Button behind him until the first pit stops at least.

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There is no point in saying this really. Vettel threw it away, simple as. His tyres were not up to temperature, given. But neither were anyone else's. Button was pushing to hold onto the back on Vettel for the opening stint (which turned out to be a pretty handy job.) Its possible (and, in my view, probable) that Vettel cracked under pressure with Button on his tail. Pushing too hard? I don't know, maybe just a lapse in concentration. Had that not happened, who knows? You say he would have kept Button behind until the first stops at least. But Button was quicker than Vettel for all of that stint, and kept increasing his lead in the opening laps. After the first stint, Vettel did push hard and brought the gap down considerably during the second stint :up: But not enough to threaten the leader.

Anyway, that race aside, I think Vettel is a star in the making. But one thing that a lot of drivers don't have is Webber's leadership qualities. He has my respect having watched him work in conjunction with his fellow racers after the red flag came out for the Malaysian GP earlier this year. Webber is a guy who needs to have every detail fall into place for him. But all too often, something just stands in the way of his first win, or another good podium.