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Did they win the race or did I miss something?!Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
If it wasn't for Toyota's slip up we would have been where we are now.
And anyway, compared to Brawn we didn't make any kind of progress up to now, every time we think Ferrari is getting there the truth shows it's not so kind side.
This is absolutely true, as I've said many times on these forums. However, this doesn't mean to say that it should be quite so hard to pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Thumbs up to both those posts. I know I've said this before but you didn't see cars anywhere near each other in the high speed stuff last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Also there was plaenty of passing in every race apart from Spain and Monaco. There was actually a fair bit of passing in Turkey, just not as much as some people expected.
A lot of the 'lack of passing' is to do with KERS and those cars A) getting a boost off the start and gaining positions, and B) using it to keep much faster cars behind them.
Look at Kovalainen vs Barrichello on Sunday. Rubens was 2 sec per lap faster, and had no 7th gear, and even when he managed to somehow get past, he was immediately re-passed. It was great racing at the time, but possibly denied us some better racing by watching Rubens pass more cars and not run into the back of the McLaren.
Some people criticised Vettel for not passing Button, and criticised the rules at that, however you still have to wait for an opening, and when he was close enough, he didn't have a chance to pass. It would be stupid to risk a move on Button, take them both out and lose points to Webber and Trulli.
So finding about a second with car development despite the new R&D rules isn't progress then?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
They didn't find any second. Every time it looks like they got closer the Honda get's faster again.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
No way, Rubens also ran into the back of the Force India, whom does not use KERS.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
It's just that Rubens is pants. If he couldn't pass Kovalainen and Sutil he would have got no chance against better drivers in faster cars, like Alonso for example!
Alonso: better driver, yes, better car, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
To be fair to Rubinho he was getting desperate, especially after Kovy blasted past with KERS.
The Sutil move was daft as it wasn't really on, but he had to do something.
Not when everybody else finds .95 seconds!Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
You're bang on there buddy. And more to the point its the case in almost all 4 wheeled motorsport series where the grids are not artificially jumbled up or car performance standardised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
If an overtake per lap is most peoples primary concern I have to ask the question; why become a fan of F1 in the first place because in the 20 years I have been following the sport it has always been the case.
On the OWG rules I have to say they have done good work. Vettel got to about 1 second before the dirty air cause his pace to drop, and he closed to a minimum of 0.4 seconds. Something nigh on impossible with F1 cars for at least a decade.
By that logic the same will occur with in-season testing!Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
The point I'm trying to make is that it is far too ridiculously early to comment on the new rules regarding R&D and testing.
It is like a lottery. One year you'll get a dominant car, another year next two teams fighting for WDC - both either near equal or one being developed into a winner