Webber--dirty driver and hypocrite

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Alonso was already side by side and moved over to avoid the contact...if he had only lifted, there would have been contact, big time.
and it was not one move....

after the pass what webber did was fine.

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He wasn't already side by side, Alonso forced his way past (a great move I might add) but he didn't need to take to the grass. In my opinion he wasn't quite alongside, and it was Alonso's decision to still try to make the pass.

Alonso took the risk and it almost paid off. Webber did what he was entitled to do and maybe Fernando should have been more aggressive under braking to defend after a great pass that he did. I would have tried to stay tight to the inside to gurantee that I wouldn't be repassed.

MW defended his position perfectly within the rules and FA was just so determined he kept it nailed despite going off the track and almost kept the place but for some extraordinarily late braking by MW.. real balls out stuff by both drivers, was good to watch.
If drivers didnt try and defend their positions could we really call it racing? Would you just let everyone past you? You'd get the sack after just 1 race buddy.

Webber is a fair and fast racer, hes also very good at it. he gave alonso just enough room, which was fine. But by saying they could have collided and FA could have been sent into the stands is well, just plainly obvious. Two cars collide when side by side at any time, plenty of blocking happens in F1 and any 2 could collide anywhere. But FA and MW are great racing drivers, so didnt collide. It was no more dangerous than racing side by side on any track. simples.

Webber and Alonso are also great friends off the track. Some people are making far too much of this. All these types of comments show is that they either hate Webber as a driver, or have absolutely no understanding of racing in F1.

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Originally Posted by Ent

Webber and Alonso are also great friends off the track. Some people are making far too much of this. All these types of comments show is that they either hate Webber as a driver, or have absolutely no understanding of racing in F1.

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Thumbs up to you on that one.

Webber wouldn't try to put one of his friends in danger.

Webber leaving little room? Reminds me Fuji '08, where Massa found only a tiny gap between Mark and the pitwall. :p :

Anyway, it seemed like Webber left too little room for Alonso indeed. Like Hamilton did at Monza'08 against Glock. One is supposed to leave room to their rival at least by a car-width on the racing circuit.

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Originally Posted by jens

Webber leaving little room? Reminds me Fuji '08, where Massa found only a tiny gap between Mark and the pitwall. :p :

Anyway, it seemed like Webber left too little room for Alonso indeed. Like Hamilton did at Monza'08 against Glock. One is supposed to leave room to their rival at least by a car-width on the racing circuit.

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I think webber did leave enough room. at that particular point when they were side-by-side, the track was wider because of the pit lane, so i think it was perfectly legitimate. I know alonso touched the grass a little (I think) but thats proper exciting racing. these are the best drivers in the world, its what they've been trained to do, and i think they both did that very well.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

For those who saw the "blocking moves", this kind of behavior is something he seems to engage in every so often.
It was also extremely unsafe, and contact at that speed could have sent FA into the stands or into the pit aera, especially with the right contact between the wheels, and the car would have ben flying.

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Yes, but it didn't.

Do you think Gilles Villeneuve and Arnoux were stupid at Dijon in 1979? After all, some of that hard, close racing could have ended up in a major accident. But it didn't.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Yes, but it didn't.

Do you think Gilles Villeneuve and Arnoux were stupid at Dijon in 1979? After all, some of that hard, close racing could have ended up in a major accident. But it didn't.

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I think this was nothing like Villeneuve-Arnoux at Dijon. Much more like Senna-Prost at Estoril. The incident you - and me too - cited on the Senna thread as an example of his occasional unacceptable behaviour on the track.

I also don't understand your reasoning. "Nothing happened, so it's OK"? A slightly inappropriate analogy, maybe, but is drunk driving OK if you don't have an accident?