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Originally Posted by Hoop-98
Whats not valid?
Pick any other season ... Cart. Cc or irl
add the first yjrrs racestogether and the ratings total more than 0.95
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoop-98
Whats not valid?
Pick any other season ... Cart. Cc or irl
add the first yjrrs racestogether and the ratings total more than 0.95
A. I don;t keep the first 3 races of a season TV ratings, but sure share them if you have them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
B. As I stated, in my opinion, this is not valid for many reasons in my opinion, you're reasonably smart and can probably figure out a few for yourself. Pre-framed arguments are kinda silly, IMHO, I learned how to do that on Compuserve with Mark C. 14 years ago.
C. I will exit this tar baby thing some of you seem to love and watch some racing...
ymmv
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You give him far to much credit Hoop!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoop-98
it's either true or it's notQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoop-98
are you suggesting there has been a CART, CC or IRL season that saw ratings lower for it's first three races?
are you Loneranger?
I know Ken outside of the internet world, he is a smart guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneranger
I want IndyCar to succeed, but just as many others, I am dissapointed by what I´m seeing.
I was sure the end of one of the 2 series would end the us vs them attitude in which you had to defend the low ratings, poor attendance and blunders of your series.
Here we are, only one series,can we be sad about ratings?, can we be sad about attendance?
Knowing that ratings in Vs would suck doesn´t stop many of us from being worried and sad, we want to attend races without having to fly to Europe or to Asia, we want to watch live races not airing at 2 A.M. or 7 A.M., but some of us are tired from trying to see everything with rosed color glasses, I was tired from all the positive spin during CC´s last years, I wil support IndyCar, but I will not make excuses or spin what is happening.
that sums it up....Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrambide
Does that mean you'll be in Indy with us?Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrambide
What are you disappointed in? Lay it out for me cause I only see a bunch of steps in the right direction. Problems are far from being solved as far as I am concerned, but for the first time in a really really long time I am encouraged with the direction "openwheel" racing is finally taking.Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrambide
Are you accusing me of spinning?Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrambide
Can´t make it to Indy, last week(Friday) I was playing with my indoor soccer team (we play in a league here in Houston, Arsenal we call ourselves), I had a double clavicle fracture, my left hand will be immobilized fo 5 more weeks and hopefully the bones will fuse right and I will noy need surgery, typing with only one hand, staying in bed after work and weekends suck big time and my wife just informed me that I will never receive permission to be a keeper again, all I can say is thank you pain killers, one day I forgot to take the afternoon pill in time, bloody pain.
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(quote)What are you disappointed in? Lay it out for me cause I only see a bunch of steps in the right direction. Problems are far from being solved as far as I am concerned, but for the first time in a really really long time I am encouraged with the direction "openwheel" racing is finally taking.(quoye ends).
The actual state of OWR in the US, I am sure they are a bunch of real steps in the right direction but I have seen so many bad years that it saddens me to see the ratings, the attendance, the problems, seeing those numbers breaks my heart and makes me think it may be late to save OWR in the US, I can live with F1, I´m a huge F1 fan, I watch every race live, but I like attending races, I nees a series in tne US.
Can you see my point?, I can see those steps and at the same time be angry and complain about the actual state, even if I knew we would get those numbers this year.
(quote)Are you accusing me of spinning?(quote ends), not accusing, not saying you are being evil or trying to take over the world, but been there, done that for so many years, I am tired of trying to be super exrea ultra optimist, of trying to find the positive on everything, of making excuses.
Since this seems to be a Moddy's permission to dig into the past, what I believe you are saying Jose is OW may be too sick to survive in a form where it can attract top talent? That is what I am reading into it.
Unlike Ken/Sarah Fan, I choose not to see this TV deal as the end of the world, but I will admit I wish they had better ratings. That said, ESPN/ABC is bent on getting their NASCAR vehicles promoted and will pay only some lip service from now on to their Indy Car coverage. That sucks. The fact no other US networks want to step up outside of VS sucks.
Hell, it all sucks. That said, we cant live in the past. What has been done is done. I don't see what the IRL could have done differently in the last year. That isn't spin boys, that is just the reality. They went out and got the best deal they could. They are not surprised at the low numbers, because VS has a low household reach. As long as they draw AT the track, and the Indy 500 numbers keep advertisers on the teams as sponsors, then we can go somewhere. It is going to be a rough couple of years. NASCAR is the 800 lb gorilla of motorsport in America now, and the CART/IRL war of 1995 was the reason why this gorilla got such a lead. If OW racing as we know it dies, I wont be heartbroken, I can go do something else. I watch more NASCAR now myself, and I love my sportscar racing.
What bothers me tho is those who keep bouncing up and down on this topic WEEK AFTER WEEK as if someone was spinning this as good news. No one that I can tell is really doing that. VS is putting out a pretty good TV product that many are not watching. Maybe that is our fate, but I don't see this one as Tony's malfesence or stupidity. THAT was 14 years ago my friends.....that ship sailed.....