Screw Ferrari

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Originally Posted by jens

I think it was expected already years ago that after the departure of Team Schumacher Ferrari would start struggling more or less. But despite problems I think the design department is still doing a bloody good job and for 2008 Ferrari has designed a car, which generally has been fastest of all. This is their main strength, which has overcome weaknesses and managed to keep them in title contention. 2009 will be a real test for Ferrari, also for the design department, to prove themselves at the highest level.

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They can design good cars because they have a good designer in charge, still they won't be able to win until their races are managed so badly.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

the pit release things needs to go, its clearly not safe. i'm not sure that Ferrari did much else wrong, but when you F**k up that bad what else do you need to do!

as for the drivers, i think they are performing admirably considering they are not being backed up by the team. in the MS days you could rely on every pitstop and every decision made being the right one, now - not so sure

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They were the best team in the pits for a decade, now they are the laughing stock of F1, in only one season. :(

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Originally Posted by ioan

They can design good cars because they have a good designer in charge, still they won't be able to win until their races are managed so badly.

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U mean that they won't be able to win until their races are NOT managed so badly. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jso1985

certainly if Hamilton wins the WDC this year it will be thanks to Ferrari...

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Whoever wins the WDC this year it will be because they and their team did a better job than the rest over the whole season. In Singapore Ferrari screwed up, and their drivers made errors. McLaren and Hamilton simply did a better job and came away with valuable points.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I'm yet to see what Masa did wrong?! :rolleyes:

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Whilst the pit stop was not his fault. The fact he made no progress whatsoever after his drive through was slightly disappointing. Considering he appeared to have the best car on the track.

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Originally Posted by 71minus2

the traffic light system to me is a serious injury waiting to happen, either with mechanics being run over or as we saw today being dragged down by the fuel hose.

Further, there were mechanics in the next pit stall who were/could have been hit by the flailing hose. Or worse, there could have been a fire.

One positive thing is that Ferrari was penalised for an unsafe pit release, its a shame this wasn't applied in Valencia but that's worthy of is own thread.

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I don't really understand why the traffic light system is getting so much stick. Both errors from Massa in Valencia and Massa in Singapore. Both were caused by human errors, who is to say the lollipop man would not have made the same mistake?

I personally don't think the traffic light system is in the wrong, simply because it hasn't been the cause of any problems so far, its just poor human judgement, the pit crew have to improve, not the traffic light system.

Massa's race can't get a direct comparison with Räikkönen's.

Firstly, unlike the Finn, he had a drive through penalty, which dropped him further backwards.

Secondly, after Kubica had passed him, Massa was very slow and dropped quickly backwards, making an unscheduled stop in the middle of the race. As it turned out, he had a puncture.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71002

No surprise FM couldn't get a proper chance to rise anywhere higher than the rear end of the field.

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Originally Posted by jens

Massa's race can't get a direct comparison with Räikkönen's.

Firstly, unlike the Finn, he had a drive through penalty, which dropped him further backwards.

Secondly, after Kubica had passed him, Massa was very slow and dropped quickly backwards, making an unscheduled stop in the middle of the race. As it turned out, he had a puncture.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71002

No surprise FM couldn't get a proper chance to rise anywhere higher than the rear end of the field.

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That won't stop the Massa bashers from talking nonsense. Never did, never will.

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Originally Posted by jens

I think it was expected already years ago that after the departure of Team Schumacher Ferrari would start struggling more or less. But despite problems I think the design department is still doing a bloody good job and for 2008 Ferrari has designed a car, which generally has been fastest of all. This is their main strength, which has overcome weaknesses and managed to keep them in title contention. 2009 will be a real test for Ferrari, also for the design department, to prove themselves at the highest level.

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Sometimes people lose perspective and forget that in the Todt/schumacher age there were mistakes and problems too. Think of irvine tyre troubles in 1999, or Barrichello/schumacher pit problems at malaysia 2001. These things just happen at times.

Just the same as people forget that already during Schumacher/todt days there were reliability problems in 2005 and 2006.

So I would wait with the SD firing at the moment (except if the position was given to me :D )

I still don't know why there isn't a system where, when the fuel nozzle is attached to the car, the gearbox is always in neutral so that only when the nozzle is removed can first gear be selected.