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Originally Posted by Phoenixent
Absolute bullocks! Champcar, as much as I truly loved watching it was in no way the best openwheel road/street courses to date. Nope sorry, that just doesn't hold a drop of water. The best was when CART had the likes of Nigel, Bobby, Gil, Mikey etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
Who said a word about accepting things the way they are? Even the ICS is not saying that. Yes I/we have been through enough BS, including the BS that in the period since the two series joined forces (remember the announcement was only in February) that some fans think that things should be magically transformed overnight. All I deserve to see is someone making an attempt to make it better. Hearing about the likelihood of a Subway or Coca-Cola having an INTEREST in a series sponsorship, says to me someone is trying to make it better. That's all I can ask for at this point. All ChampCar was doing last year was trying to survive. Making things better was always, sadly, on the back burner.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
Gary
No, it's an eternity for some of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Helix-
It's not really the quality of the racing or even the number of 1.5 miler's which I'm not too fond of. CART even in it's heyday was not that much different. Some years races were jsut snoozefests one year and spectacular the next.
To me the Dallara is simply a very boring car to watch. It is so ungainly looking on road courses due to the limited HP and so dang nailed to the track on ovals with all of the downforce nothing exciting ever happens. I simply find it a boring car to watch, even with 25 of them. I find that what some people find sexy about it is exactly what I find the most unappealing visually. Just like guys and how they are attracted to different parts of a woman's anatomy. I like balance and I just have a hard time watching the Dallara, which is totally unbalalanced to me. That slammed nose and big bulky airbox just don't do it. My greatest fear is they will come up with another, even uglier single make spec. car for 2010 or 2011, when ever it ends up being.
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Originally Posted by garyshell
It seems like every time someone wants to say how they truly feel about "what's going on", we are told by some to just give it up, and it's over.
Of course the split is over!! But the product is not a very good one!
And as far as Champcar just surviving in '07....
Those races were pretty damn good. And the "New" DP01, Turbos, P2P, and tire compounds made it even better!!
For these times, it was some great road/street racing.
Too bad Robert Doornbos couldn't have shown us just what his potential was!!
I understand, but looks just aren't all that important to me and I don't really have any big beefs with the Dallara. (Though I don't like the airbox or the bump in the nose either)Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
I'm expecting something completely different and innovative when 2010 rolls around. I think the IRL may want to cut ties with the past and try something out of the box. Or maybe some kind of "throwback" to the good old days. If it ends up being ugly, I'll probably be disappointed but I'll most likely learn to tolerate it. Looks just aren't that big of a deal to me. As long as it looks fast anyway. If it looks like a race car, then it's beautiful in my eyes.
I can still enjoy an F1 race from time to time even though I think the cars just get uglier and uglier every year. (Though the new regulations for next year sound promising).
I'm hoping for a better performing car. Good looks would be a plus obviously, but that's secondary for me. I'm worried more about the racing then what the cars look like standing still.
I was at every Michigan race from 1990 to the very end and I have to tell you that, No, that wasn't a "race". It was exciting..............for about twenty laps. It then became a chess game at 230 mph. Drivers fell back to see how far they could move forward, passing three, four and sometimes five cars per lap. It was a great show. It was about positioning yourself for the last lap, where being in the lead was the absolute WORST place you could be. It was wild, the crowd was thrilled, but it was not a "race". It slays me that some posters say that same engine, same chassis, flat to the floor oval racing is "boring" yet then say the Hansford device races were some of the most exciting races ever. All the HD was was an OW restrictor plate. Having been to over 70 USAC, CART and IRL oval races the HD races at Michigan, IMO were some of the worst "racing" ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
at my school at infineon the indycar guys are testing and they sound like nothing special, it really sounds just like a star mazda, maybe just a little louder, you should have a car that people will remember from the experience, just like going to see a top fuel car passing by for the first time, and as for the looks surprisingly they dont look that bad as they do on TV. I was defiently a IRL hater, but i am willing to accept it for what it is right now, and hoping in a couple of years they will get it back where OW once was.
I'd say it was pretty good racing for an oval!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5AoTROb0H0
Back when Franchitti, Kanaan, Castroneves etc... were still in CART.
It looks exciting for sure, but does it REALLY look like good racing? I remember at the time just about every one was spewing hate at the hanaford device. Folks were saying it was not unlike the restrict or plates in NASCAR. It made for a very artificial race, where as was stated elsewhere in this thread, the last place you wanted to be on the last lap was in first place. It was a sure way to be second at the checkered flag. What is good about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
The passes were definitely exciting, I'll give you that, but the racing was artificial at best.
Gary
Gary,
As I recall, the Hanford Device was built to create drag and slow down the cars for driver and spectator safety. It accomplished that task well and along with it created a big sucking hole behind each car that created passing which I believe is what the average fan wants, like the "green, white, checker" Nascar has frequently. The fans stand for all 3 laps. What is bad about that?
Keep in mind that we who write here are not the average fan. Many of us live sleep and eat this sport and we know it was artificial BUT what is good for the sport? Should it entertain we few, the passionate ones OR should we go after more butts in the seats? Food for consideration.