What is currently best - WRC or IRC

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14th July 2008, 19:11
RS

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Originally Posted by MikeD

Watching Freddy Loix dominating a rally in IRC (Ypres) just tell the whole story about the quality of drivers in that series.

You have to remember that Freddy was driving the best car on his home rally, which is quite a specialist one.

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Watching second class drivers/riders is never good enough for me.

So what are you going to do when Loeb retires? :D
14th July 2008, 19:24
Tomi

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Originally Posted by jparker

And your knowledge about Fiat and Pug comes from where?

Different sourses, but about PSA its still depends on a few things.
14th July 2008, 19:38
RS

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Originally Posted by bluuford

In my mind IRC is trying to do some things better than WRC, which is marketing and they are quite successful in some areas. Many people are saying the IRC, good thing, very intense competition and etc. For me it smells like marketing story. So, usually I try to use very simple statistics to prove that there is not much difference in competition. I did it in a following way.

I took all four IRC events that have taken place in 2008 and their final overall top 10 standings.
For comparison I made some pairs with little bit similar wrc events. pairs were:
IRCTurkey-WRCTurkey2007;
IRCPortugal-WRCPortugal2007;
IRCYrpes-WRCGermany2007;
IRCRussia-WRCSardegna2008.
Next I took account the fact that WRC events are much longer and therefore I took the standings that were after about same long driving (written behind the first driver hh:min).
here are the results (Sorry about the abbreviations):
IRC standings:
Tur ------- Por ------ Belg ------ Rus
1) ros 2:25 - ros 2:57 - loi 2:45 - han 2:14
2) voi 0.23 - jan 0.46 - voi 0.59 - al 2.11
3) ale 1.27 - voi 1.38 - ros 1.27 - bas 2.44
4) ren 2.12 - bass 2.19 - cas 1.35 - loi 3.29
5) jan 2.14 - juh 2.21 - snj 1.44 - voi 5.31
6) sol 2.24 - bru 3.11 - bas 3.22 - jan 6.54
7) isik 4.47 - 7 3.51 - vand 4.44 - tira 9.03
8) loi 4.48 - aig 8.1 - brui 6.19 - sim 10.42
9) yag 10.29 - per 10.46 - liet 6.21 - x 17.07
10)kara 10.38 - lop 10.57 - aq 7.42 - xx 17.26

WRC standings:
Tur ------ Por ------ Ger ------ Sard
1) hirv 2.37 - loe 3.01 - loe 2.48 - loe 2.16
2) latv 02.9 - gro 0.40 - gro 0.38 - hirv 0.42
3) gal 05.2 - hir 1.57 - duv 0.50 - lat 0.54
4) loe 13.7 - sol 2.1 - hir 0.56 - sor 0.56
5) sol 45.4 - sor 3.59 - kop 2.49 - gal 1.15
6) sol 1.34 - lat 4.5 - gard 2.51 - atk 1.56
7) sor 1.51 - solb 6.49 - sol 3.07 - solb 3.18
8) wil 2.09 - carls 6.56 - pon 4.16 - aava 3.24
9) raut 4.01 - galli 8.12 - lat 4.54 - gard 4.12
10)vill 4.16 - stoh 11.2 - atk 8.5 - and 4.13

You can see that in most cases the competition in WRC is muc, much, much more tighter. So, nice marketing trick:-) Or do you have any better statistics?
Yes I know that there are some weak spots in my methods, but it is the best I could :-)

This is quite interesting but you perhaps need to look at some WRC events from 2008 more as this series has suffered a bit of a decline in competitiveness this year.

I think the impression of the closeness of competition in IRC (which I also believe) is because you arrive at any given event not knowing who is going to win or what the podium is going to be. In WRC there are three guys, then the rest....
14th July 2008, 20:53
Roy

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wrc/...exclusive.html
Malcolm Wilson at Crash.net over IRC:

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Crash.net:
What do you think of the IRC?

MW:
"There is obviously no real manufacturer in it. But it is a good formula and that is obviously the basis of our next future World Rally Car, which is great from a Ford point of view because it does open up the possibilities. It is a market that we have not been in before. It opens up another sales avenue."

Crash.net:
Could you ever see the IRC rivalling the WRC?

MW:
No I don't think so. It is a totally different category with different types of events. Also the way that the FIA is going now with the World Rally Championship and the fact there is going to be a global promoter hopefully announced in the not too distant future, that carries the weight of what the manufacturers and everybody are looking for.
14th July 2008, 21:02
Raven

For me WRC is boring right now, this serie was killed when p206wrc entered the stage. That was the time when I switched the tv off and preffered to watch paint dry. Too much electronics, too liitle spectacle...

I follow (and always followed) ERC, IRC and national championships right now. It's far more fun.

Oh, and how many drivers in WRC are first class? Three, maybe four?
14th July 2008, 21:15
Roy

I follow WRC. IRC is a little boring IMO. To slow cars, not big names (= old rally drivers and young guns.) Only good thing is the beauty of the cars. I like the Fiat/abarth. 207 is nice too.
I prefer WRC because the speed and professionalism. WRC events are longer competitive kilometres. It is much more in comparison of IRC.
14th July 2008, 21:25
Tomi

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Originally Posted by Raven

Oh, and how many drivers in WRC are first class? Three, maybe four?

Hey thats 4 more than in all the other series you mentined, not bad.
15th July 2008, 16:53
WRC1

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Hey thats 4 more than in all the other series you mentined, not bad.

:up: :up: :up:

hänninen was by far the fastest man in russia (in his first run in s2000)

in wrc he is not even in pwrc the absolut best....

reg

wrc1
15th July 2008, 17:51
RS

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Originally Posted by Raven

For me WRC is boring right now, this serie was killed when p206wrc entered the stage. That was the time when I switched the tv off and preffered to watch paint dry. Too much electronics, too liitle spectacle...

I follow (and always followed) ERC, IRC and national championships right now. It's far more fun.

Oh, and how many drivers in WRC are first class? Three, maybe four?

Don't turn your TV back on yet Raven, in comparison to a Focus, the 206 is exhilerating.

For me, the power delivery of the modern WRCars is too linear, there is no agression to them. They may have 300BHP+ and 600NM but it just doesn't look it. I honestly think, to the average man in the street watching on TV, S2000 cars will look at least as fast, if not faster than a WRCar. An illusion probably helped by the sound. Latest Focus or Impreza sounds like granny driving to the shops with a broken exhaust.

And how many WRC drivers are first class? Well I think right now Loeb is in a class of his own, so the answer is one. Similar to the Schumacher era of F1.
15th July 2008, 18:09
RS

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Originally Posted by WRC1

:up: :up: :up:

hänninen was by far the fastest man in russia (in his first run in s2000)

in wrc he is not even in pwrc the absolut best....

reg

wrc1

Hanninen is undoubtedly a talent and was fantastic in Russia but I doubt he would win the IRC if he were doing a full season (too much tarmac where he has little experience, and Russia suits the Finns more than most IRC runners)

I believe he also won on his pWRC debut?

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