Want to know where Conrad gets his money from?

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Originally Posted by sollitt

So you think the WRC, and the qualifying events ought only be for championship contenders? That's not what the rallying I know & love is all about.

It is his, or his father's money to "waste" as he sees fit. There's no evidence to suggest that if Conrad weren't spending it the budget would be spent on "Meeke & Co".

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It's not his or his fathers money. It's money which comes from a brutal regime which starves it's people and stifles democracy. Just because you're in posession of something doesn't mean it's rightfully yours.

I'd love to see you living in Zimbabwe right now.... would you be right behind Conrad as he makes his way down the stages in a car funded by money which should be paying for your healthcare and other essential services?

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Only a very few ill advised forum members would bag Warmbold. As now, the intelligent majority accepted that young Warmbold was doing his own thing and not effecting anyone else and that we ought just let him get on with it.

Face it Daniel, this is nothing more than another childish rant about a driver who you've chosen to bag because he's not here to defend himself. Doing so somehow flatters your ego. It's very sad.

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Damn! I've been exposed :( Yes I bag of Rautencrash to make me feel better. I'm a very unhappy person and my life is crap so rather than do so many other things to make my life better I pick on one particular Zimbabwean driver who just happens to be one of the most inept drivers ever to step into a WRCar whose dad is involved in all sorts of dodgy stuff in Africa. That's also why I wasn't a big fan of Gigi Galli in his Mitsu and Peugeot days. Not because I just didn't feel he was as good a driver as people made him out to be.... but because I am deeply unhappy. Stop trying to play psychologist Solitt and go off and do whatever it is you do :)

It wasn't just a few people who bagged Warmbold :) It was a lot of people. Personally I didn't have that much of a problem with the guy. He always drove within his limits and as you say he was just doing his own thing. I've never been given reason to think that his money came from such dubious sources either. I never really had a huge problem but perhaps I wasn't so deeply unhappy back then perhaps? :confused:

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Originally Posted by noel157

I'm not sure of your logic there Mark. "If Meeke was good enough for the WRC teams then he would be in there" What does that mean? Do you think he isn't good enough (personally no problem if that's your view) or do you think any driver talented enough will get a seat in a WRC team? There's plenty of drivers besides Meeke who deserve a WRC seat but lack one essential ingredient - a large cheque book. Talent will get you nowhere in the current WRC climate.

Has Conrad R got aspirations to be a works driver? Long way to go given his WRC career to date.

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Sorry Noel
I was just refferring to what Daniel said on the last page about Meeke and co sitting around

My point was if WR teams thought Meeke and others where a good option to be a paid driver they would be up there.

Meeke is a dam good driver with talent

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Originally Posted by m.lowe

Sorry Noel
I was just refferring to what Daniel said on the last page about Meeke and co sitting around

My point was if WR teams thought Meeke and others where a good option to be a paid driver they would be up there.

Meeke is a dam good driver with talent

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No worries Mark, my point wasn't regarding Meeke in particular but more the state of the sport at present. 4 factory teams (well 3 1/2), 8 drivers and only 2 OR 3 (is Hirvonen paid?) are employed on a proper salaried basis, the remainder bring money to the team. But we've discussed this for years so nothing new.

One thing is if he deserves to be in WRC , another thing is where his father made his fortune. Some rich people may have their hands dirty, but then again is not something that can be proven here, is not something of an interest from a WRC point of view, and more important is not something that should be discussed when it involves the reputation of a man just because of an article in the net.
Even if it is right I don't think is any of our concern where a WRC driver gets his money from.

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Originally Posted by WRCfan

It's not that I don't care, it's that you sit on here bagging him for every reason under the sun, first it was 'he crashed my favourite car' (Monte Carlo).

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That's what's called a joke.......

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Originally Posted by WRCfan

Then it was he was wasting money (spoilt rich kid). Well it's none of your cash so you can keep quiet in the cheap seats about how his dad decides to spend it...

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What about the fact that the people whose cash it is are starving? What about the fact that this cash is used to prop up a regime that opresses them?

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Originally Posted by WRCfan

Then it was he was a danger to all involved. If you are EVER hit by a rally car on a rally then your are 100% in the wrong. You should ensure you are in a place where you WILL NOT be hit regardless of where the car may end up in different circumstances.

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OK I'll agree with that. But the problem is Conrad seems to have some pretty "interesting" crashes and it's clear that he's not really as in control as he should be. He's also gone off on road sections and had a head on accident with other rally traffic (possibly not his fault or a 50:50 accident I'll admit) in amongst his other crashes. As my mum told me when she took me for my first drive when I was learning "Just remember a car is a weapon and you can hurt yourself and others so just be careful". As much as Solitt says I don't care about safety and others say I don't care about Conrad it would be a horrible thing for him or David to get hurt in an accident.

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Originally Posted by WRCfan

Now it is because of the dirty money. Yes, dirty the money may be, however you continually just talk dribble and are looking EVERYWHERE for a reason to bag the guy.

We all know you have a fetish with Conrad and your continual dribbling about him got boring a long time ago, it's been said on the forums before about where the funds come from so not like you have just made a ground breaking discovery....

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What is it with Kiwi's like yourself and Solitt talking absolute crap? Solitt thinks I'm depressed and you think I'm in love with him :rotflmao: So I guess the answer to all my problems is for me to run off with Conrad. That way I have my man and I'm no longer depressed :laugh:

I didn't go looking for this story. It came to me. I never saw the original postings that other people mentioned and if I had I'd have said the same.

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Originally Posted by noel157

No worries Mark, my point wasn't regarding Meeke in particular but more the state of the sport at present. 4 factory teams (well 3 1/2), 8 drivers and only 2 OR 3 (is Hirvonen paid?) are employed on a proper salaried basis, the remainder bring money to the team. But we've discussed this for years so nothing new.

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All factory drivers are paid by team to drive.

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Originally Posted by redunderthebed

The thing is that there is dodgy money all across sport the fact that total sponsors rally teams is case in point.However this has to be one of the more unsavoury sources of money i have seen.If Conrad was a decent rally driver this would be more of a issue but he is just another privateer and i believe he wouldnt be the only privateer that gets his/her money from less than reputable sources.

I think singling him out is slightly unfair however considering how much of a nasty piece of work his old man is and there would be no doubt he is behind this considering i dont think any other team would take him and there would be no sponsorship sources in his home country due to the fact its well....f**ked.

I can fully understand why Daniel would have a grudge but he doesnt need to repeat it.

However Motorsport (and sport in general) has rarely cared where they get there money from due to the competition for the sponsorship dollar.As someone pointed out before until recently many series where funded (some quite heavily) by tobacco companies and the consequences of that are far greater than some dodgy businessmen however unsavory in Africa.

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Very true. But by and large tobacco companies operate within the law and when they don't there are lawsuits and so on and they get penalised. I don't agree with Tobacco as a product at all but there's no law against producing tobacco and selling it lawfully. Personally if it were up to me I'd ban tobacco but the world is all about free choice and if people want to smoke we should allow them.

Interestingly enough there was a program on the BBC just the other day with Duncan Bannatyne about the way BAT (Subaru's old sponsor) operates in Africa and how it targets young people and uses advertising methods which go against it's own code of conduct. Thankfully there are people out there who give a **** about businesses or individuals profiting from the exploitation of vulnerable people.

The difference though between tobacco sponsorship and this is that you can choose whether or not you want to start smoking and whether you want to keep on smoking. I fail to see the problem with a company operating within the law selling tobacco which may end up killing the people who use it. It's their choice and you've got to respect that. But the people in Zimbabwe can't choose whether they want Mugabe as their opressor or not. They also can't choose whether they want the wealth of their country leached off by people like Billy Rautenbach.

It's bad to say, but there are many brands involved in bad-activities.

Red Bull (Citroen's sponsor) is damaging the healthy of persons with some ingredients (see about glucuronolactone).

SHELL (Suzuki's sponsor) is responsible for many things, one of theme is the pollution of lots of rivers, oppression, etc.

MITSUBISHI is involved in weapons commerce.

I'm thinking to Formula 1 too, and to Ultimate Motorsport (so Sonangol).

As you see, there are many bad things in all the sports, but it's quite difficult to stop them, so... that's the situation!

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Originally Posted by Roy

What do you say about this...?

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/07/402901.html

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while that might be true, you can't take indymedia as a true "news" source(or the people that works with them like the guys who did that protest), I'm not saying Total is innocent(actually I don't know) but indymedia is made by lifeless communist wannabes who think because they say so then it's true, as according to their on-spanish version when my city rioted agaisnt the goverment(a socialist goverment that is) in November, the site claimed all rioters got paid between 50 and 150 dollars by the USA embassy to do so, but true is that apparently I'm pretty stupid because I didn't receive a cent back then!.

back to topic... maybe's is better Conrad is wasting his father's dirty money on harmless stuff(to the society that is, if Conrad gets hurt or killed well that's anotther thing) rather than using it on other dirty bussiness

Billy's money won't end back up in the Zimbabwian hands, Conrad rallying or not.