Aha, ok. So the calendar on ewrc-results.com has a small mistake, Autoglym Rally is one week earlier there... ;)
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Aha, ok. So the calendar on ewrc-results.com has a small mistake, Autoglym Rally is one week earlier there... ;)
Well, Aava confirmed on Friday, when they signed the contracts with Ciesla, that all the 4 teams will be here with one driver from each team.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Theres a long interview with Ciesla in estonian newspaper, first i thought i will translate the whole thing but then i changed my mind and i will point out the most interesting parts.
- says that in long perspective this contract with Rally Estonia doesnt mean much, and at the moment it isnt possible because the priority is to go outside europe: Africa, Asia, North-America and Middle-East.
- the feedback last year from teams was very positive and thats why they decided to do it again and bigger this time. the roads are similar to finland and the teams can do good preparation.
- about the idea to have rotation in the calendar: he says the idea is very good, because we could get more countries and events in the calendar, but for the organisers it is very difficult because they have to keep their money, sponsors, and workers also the year they are not having the rally. so, great idea but not sustainable.
- his ideal goal is to have 16 rallies on the calendar but says that they have the same opinion with teams, their budgets are limited.
- since he mentioned that he wants to have 16 rallies, the reporter right away asks if it would mean shorter rallies? Ciesla: no, not at all. We have done the calculations many times and it wont change the costs for the teams. They still would have to bring as many parts to the rallies as now and be there as many days as now. For the organisers it would mean less costs but also less profit because there are less stages. At the moment this plan doesnt interest no one anymore because they cant see how it would be profitable.
- in the end theres a question: how we would get more car makers into the series? he doesnt say anything special there, points out that they have to make the series very attractive to them. Also says that they have to go to the countries where we have big car markets and hints also to the hybrid technology.
Among so many new possible WRC venues, I’m amazed how this one wasn’t yet caught on Ciesla’s radar…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FFpcqH0TgY
No, the roads are not similar! If you want to prepare perfectly for Rally Finland the only right testing event would be Autoglym Rally at the same weekend, but of course it´s good for the Estonians to see works teams there...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
same shit, different year.....
A sort of mini Putin!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Roads are similar, especially with added jumps, surface though, is another story. Still, Tänak won both, Torn in JWRC won both, Paddon was by far the best Hyundai, taking 4th with the setups he tested in RE, Huttunen and Pietarinen were the fastest non-WRC in RE, took 1-2 in WRC2 Finland.
I can´t help myself but it reminded me this gem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olT8v8yMUEU :) But when its mostly the money who decides Central Asian rally could be real adition to championship :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I don't know this year's itinerary of autoglym but Ralkt Estonia will be most likely similar to last year, so special shakedown for WRC teams (also special test days before), also services very often (every 2 stages almost) so possibility to test a lot before and during the rally. So it attract the teams a lot. Roads are quite similar regarding the setup you need to use, surface little bit more loose but not that much
Autoglym will have 10 stages this year with two services, all during one day.
Any news or rumors about Skoda WRC project?
What about Proton?
Interested to see that will there be any wrc cars on the Autoglym Rally. Same weekend as that Estonian rally. Seemingly teams will go there. Could be fun to see that rally aswell, though Autoglym would be cool since it is so close to where I live.
That's what I thought about immediately. While Paddon was fastest Hyundai also the year before, the difference between Tanak and his teammates was somewhat surprising. Especially when Latvala was so fast the year before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Breen didn't have a good rally though, but it was mostly due to the early mistake on friday which put him into road cleaning position.
So Tänak was faster than Latvala and Lappi only because he did Rally Estonia? I mean, it was the same all year and Tänak had plenty of testing days in Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
He used his RE setup and the results was there. His pace was for sure magnificent like it has been in recent time, but still hewas humiliating his teammates, at their home event, which they both were leadingin 2017.
Finland was where I was expecting the 3 to be closest, specially since the differences are often quite small there (in terms of seconds). In the end up to that point of the season it was kind of the biggest (unexpected) outclassing. It was definitely not the same all year, early on Latvala or Tanak were often out before you could compare anything and Lappi was doing those rallies for first time in wrc (sometimes even for the first time ever). After Finland there were big differences in Germany and GB but not really in Spain and certainly not in Australia or Turkey.
Off course it's impossible to say how important Rally Estonia was for that, but it's a fact that he did it and the others did not.
They do great setups in any country for Finland when someone wants to pay teams for testing. Roads are not similar and some added jumps that is just absurd. Main reason to choose RE over some testing in Finland is money. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
If the question is "Testing in Finland" or "Rally Estonia" it is Rally Estonia. Quite simply because: It will not count towards the testing days (Toyota are free close to HQ in Finland.)Quote:
Originally Posted by lnvs
what a load of BS!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lnvs
some of you Finns are acting here like kids whose candy has been taken away.
With all honesty I'm super happy for Estonians to have this event. You have a star driver and a lot of enthusiasm for the sport and at this moment it's impossible to get a WRC round. Having this promotional event is a great solution for you. I say this even though it means Autoglym rally which runs very close to my home won't have WRC teams. :)
But I still can't agree that Tänak found his 2018 pace only through testing in Rally Estonia.
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Originally Posted by lnvs
There`s quite a diversity of roads with different characteristics and surfaces in that small country, don`t know, if you are familiar with all of them? I have driven across Scandinavia for several times, on very different roads, in the southern part, in the northern part, in the middle, including where NORF takes place...In Southern EU also quite many thousands of country roads. I agree, that added crests are stupid, but maybe there is something when it is done by a former WRC driver? Have a look at br21 post, who i think is more familiar with modernday rallying than you and me. Me for sure. I also think that many, who said it out loud, that this helps for rally Finland, did not lie. You can think what you like, Finland has a WRC event soon after, so i can`t see any problems why one should be so upset. :D
Tänak`s pace in Rally Finland isn`t explained with him participating in RE, ofc not, BUT he used the setup he developed for him there and it clearlly worked.
That version of Tänak we all saw last year in Finland would have dominated the rally even with a bicycle. He was that good. I still think it's one of the best performances this sport has ever seen.
I'm sorry if Estonia has some Finnish style roads. I just haven't seen them there. Why they don't use them in rallying if those roads exist? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
I'm not upset about this, just think it's funny how some can say those Estonian roads are like in Finland and it's best testing place for Finland. They would instantly choose some Rally in Finland (like Autoglym) if they had same benefits.
Probably a bit kitchier...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oops!
Spot on. Regardless the advantages or disadvantages over normal PET sessions, this promotional event concept looks as an interesting option for the series future: it’d be much better to run some of those apart than continuing to push for brainless changes in the WRC calendar.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yeah I think this is a really interesting concept that could open up some cool opportunities going forward. Seeing three or four works WRC cars can be a real draw for fans and an event. If the teams are sensible, for example bringing the kind of team set up they bring to a test rather than the super motorhomes they bring to a WRC round, this could be a cost effective way to attract wider exposure. Hearing about this Estonia deal my thoughts turned to Ireland. There's been talk of the Circuit of Ireland organisers wanting to bring the event back as a WRC round (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/46188320). Now to me that seems unlikely and personally I wouldn't like to lose Rally GB for the CoI, but 'Promotional event' status would seem to be perfect! With the strength of the Irish Championship I've been tempted to go over for a round, but if the CoI was to return in 2020 with an additional four or maybe more '17 WRC cars on top, of which four would be Works cars, I'd definitely be making the trip!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
As it is, I'm tempted to go to Estonia for this. I'll be keeping a keen eye of how the entry list develops.
Did you guys forget that last years NRF was on slower, smaller and softer roads. Those kind of roads were in Rally Estonia.
We have very wide and fast gravel roads too but average speeds would be brutal...140+ FIA wouldnt like that I bet lol
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...ctory-wrc-deal
Huttunen getting some contacts after a good drive in Sweden. Also mentioned he is still doing testing work with Hyundai.
I tried looking at some onboards and mostly the roads resemble Rally Poland more than Finland. The surface is, like said, more sandy and softer and at times there's no ditches but small banks on the edges of the road. The corners and crests are often smoother and longer and the cars jump less. There are some very fast sections where you only have to turn slightly. Especially the route of this and last year in Rally Finland has tried staying away from that kind of sections. But I'm not saying those roads are bad, there are some really nice crooked lines over a crest where you need to trust the pace notes, and some tricky narrow places with trees close by. I would in fact like the WRC calendar to include either Poland or Estonia to have a fast rally with different type of roads to Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
Jari Huttunen has been linked to a new works WRC deal after impressing on last month's Rally Sweden...
https://t.co/Gf4KOqpLMK
Just two messages above, just two...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Twitter echo?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
M-Sport working on electric rally car aimed at one-day events
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...MkRiRPEN2hsyOI
Do you realize that's one year old news?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
didnt remember it,just found and post it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroe...cars-go-hybrid
Citroen to leave WRC after 2020 unless it goes electric/hybrid
No surprise, the FIA are already consulting on electric cars for 2021 onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
That's hardly a suprise since different manu have been saying the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
On a related note I noticed the new Audi SQ5 has electric kompressor working together with a mild hybrid system (very small battery). Surely something like that (to replace ALS) is absolute minimum.
2022 has been plannedQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Citroen should be ready...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...hybrid-wrc-car
It smells like an excuse. They are gonna leave anyway. It has been cooking for some time now.