I meant comparing either to WRC/custom cars is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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I meant comparing either to WRC/custom cars is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I don't think so. Modern R5 cars are already faster than many older WRC cars. This is always tricky and never possible to say with certainty how much a car plays a role. Safe to say is only that the guys were with different cars and it's not fully comparable therefore.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
M-Sport has its appeal against Sebastien Ogier's WRC Rally Mexico penalty rejected. :(
Good newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G935F met Tapatalk
Good. Would have been ridicolous if not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
As we already know Timo Jouhki confirmed that Kalle has 2+1 year contract with the SKODA. So at least 2019 in WRC2 and if he is able to drive works World Rally Car in 2020, he is free to go. But maybe then it could be SKODA WRC :)
This and next year is all about to get more experience from the different WRC events. Jouhki said also that he is sure that Kalle would be ready already now to drive the top 6 behind the wheel of the World Rally Car. Source: yle.fi
Bits that Julian Porter said during Portugal SS1:
- Skoda is now attending manu meetings in WRC
- Østberg to do Germany in C3 R5, two other drivers in talks for the 3rd car (Loeb + someone else)
Wonder who the other driver in talks could be?
Has it been announced what other events Sheikh Khalid Al-Qassimi will be doing in 2018 ? Could the Sheikh be driving the 3rd car for Germany ?Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
There was some talk earlier that Didier Auriol would want to do a 60th anniversary rally this year :D
Seeing how Citroen are all about most PR for least money this year it's quite likely someone who will give a lot of PR and not much chance for good result. At best it will be someone like Auriol as AnttiL says or even K. Raikonen or some other motorsport person at worst just someone paying money with no chance of any fast times.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Totally don't expect any "young gun".
I think Julian said it was a local driver, so I guess Kremer or outside bet Marijan Griebel.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
What's with Ph-sport's car?
In 2017 right before Argentina in April there was this interview saying how Meeke will focus on single rally wins and not on championship. 3 next rallies were crashes.
( http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129181/ )
In 2018 exactly 1 year (-1 day) later there was similar interview with Latvala. I quoted those two together here for déjà vu.
( https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...-aims-for-wins )
Now we are 2 rallies later and it's 2/3 exactly the same. (or you might say that since it's Latvala's 3rd crash in a row it's already fullfilled).
Lesson learned:
Don't talk about focusing on single wins in april !!!
Kremer was told to be in a Yaris i believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
and Nasser before him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
and Grönholm and Petter Solberg before that...
Lesson: Don´t believe all Toyota rumours ;)
ps.It´s possible that Kremer starts with Yaris.
so was Portugal 18' the turning point that will see a non french driver be World Champion after 14 years?
no leaf, still a lot of work to be done....Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
Yeah it will be french talking belgian. What a difference.
there will be a big difference, it will be a estonian talking estonian.
GermanQuote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
This was for Corse, but didnt happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
And to say the truth, Thierry is the last successful product of PSA Rally school (Seb1, Seb2, Thierry).Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
His native language is not French.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Integrale
https://www.lexpressmada.com/09/02/2...n%E2%80%88wrc/Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
In here he said Portugal or Argentina or any tarmac event, but you have more info on that?
The Ogier PS penalty row returns...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...-the-wrc-title
You can see from the article why M-Sport and Ogier are so disappointed, as there are so many inconsistancies...
Rules are rules. If he doesn't like them no one is forcing him to stay in championship.
He was one of SIX drivers which hit the chicane yet he was the only one penalisedQuote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
The fact that Neuville didn't get the penalty as well for hitting the barriers on SS21 is simply explained: it wasn't the power stage. If in circuit racing you exceed track limits during the race, you get a warning. After a number of warnings, you get the penalty. But if you exceed track limits and gain tenths of seconds during your qualifying lap, you're not going to keep your great lap time and start from the front of the grid while receiving just a warning: your lap time will be invalidated. So yes, same crime, but the penalty in the qualifying lap is more severe. Same works for a normal SS and a PS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If we want to talk in absolute fairness, the stewards maybe didn't bother giving a penalty to Thierry, considering that it wasn't the PS and that +10 seconds to his time wouldn't have changed a thing.
About the other drivers who hit the chicane during the PS, I could guess the stewards didn't find that any of them gained time by hitting it? A video of the various drivers through the chicane on the PS would be helpful to judge.
6 drivers hit the chicane after the warning ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mArvAlcao17
Ogier + 5. Could you please name those other 5 ?
I did watch that stage and I´m pretty sure that none other WRC-car driver did hit that chicane. Do you want some privateers to get penalty?
Tänaks onboard from that stage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0B3LSBrBpw&t=
but you cant really see if he hits them or not, maybe he hits the last one
It's not about "bothering" or whether it changes things or not. Rules must be 1) clear, 2) same for all stages and 3) same for all drivers. And this, obviously, has not been the case here. I would agree with mr. Wilson that they have a strong case if they want to take it further.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
I'm not saying the stewards shouldn't bother, I'm saying they didn't bother and I explained probably why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Also 1) I agree, 2) I don't agree: rules are already different for the PS, since it gives extra points. It seems normal to me that small time gain in the PS requires a bigger punishment, 3) I agree, of course.
It is..You ever try speak normal French to a Walloon? Amd if they know your name..mine is van Landingham (originally back in Belgium it was van Landeghem) and suddenly they not only don't understand normal French but they suddenly are outraged..about something:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Funny how they call him "French talking Belgian" while little more than 10 years ago he almost didn't speak French at all. He quickly learnt French very well, which was important for his career as a rally-driver. Anyway, the language he speaks and the region he comes from is unimportant. Among rally enthusiasts he's just as popular in all parts/communities of Belgium.
I´d like to add, that as an international rallyfan, to me it doesn´t matter from where you come, as long as it is a competent, naturally talented, humble and nice guy, the driver will be popular anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Having said that, I mean it can be said about all the guys in the circus.
Well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
talking about details in the appeal:
- M-Sport uses stage time differences between SS21 and SS22 to argue that Ogier did not improve more than other drivers. They specifically point out that Meeke (who got worse time) should not be counted. At the same time they don't mention that Mikkelsen (the only driver with more improvement than Ogier) had a spin in first run. if you leave him out Ogier actually did improve most of all . This is selective picking of circumstantial evidence.
- Ogier improves his time by some 0.6s after the chicane, part of which obviously could be due to slightly different (more direct) line out of it and into the next corner (last corner of stage). They also show how he has some 10 km/h faster speed in this section trough finish. They play this down by saying it's because he had 3 x Hard tires vs 2x Hard 2x Soft in first run which should help in this tarmac section. Clearly there are other people with more data on this, but taking Portugal as example Neuville and Sordo on soft worn gravel tires were much faster on tarmac than others on hards, so from my view this is not a clear argument to use.
- The parts about different placement and others hitting it a bit are true but don't change the fact that Ogier was the only one hitting the first part.
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Clearly it's not 100% clear case for giving the penalty, but neither is there one for removing it. He did hit it, and did hit it most out of all competitors.
But then there is the circumstances and "sending a message" part
a) Ogier and M-Sport opened a can of worms with the Sweden powerstage stunt. (as is clear to everyone except Eddie, they exploited the rules. More precisely: exploited that fact that the penalty for deliberately breaking the rules did not hurt given PS points). This exploit (which FIA should have thought about immediatelly when they started giving PS points) might also decide the title in the end.
=> If Ogier/M-Sport want to exploit the rules to the max there certainly is a payback element involved here.
b) They (Ogier + M-Sport) asked after SS21 and Neuville's issue. so clearly they had to be punished when they hit most of the chicane out of all competitors on second run.
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As to the chicane issues I agree with David Evans that there needs to be consistency and clearly defined penalties (i.e. 5s for touching/moving a chicane written in rulebook).
Colin Clark repeating my view re the use of lightweight chicanes...
My view, @SebOgier’s been shafted! If organisers don’t want objects that they place on the route to be moved, make them from concrete. Or do what the Finns did, and put tractors as chicanes. I also think Lappi and Sordo were shafted in Portugal. Bad precedent. https://t.co/2bffPDoPve
Tractor chicanes were unanimously hated by competitors and not used again.
https://twitter.com/richmillener/sta...29794801184768
look at Neuvilles reply, i dont get what is he tryin to say?