I wouldn't say thatQuote:
Originally Posted by eestlane
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I wouldn't say thatQuote:
Originally Posted by eestlane
All the rally's where Fassner and Wiegand were together they were fighting and all the rallys were on tarmac were wiegand shows sometimes quite good stage times but
So all their common starts in 2012. Bare in mind Gassner has much more experience, he even did SWRC 2011 in Fabia S2000. In that time Wiegand was driving some Swift N2 and Fiesta R2...
Acores IRC
Wiegand 4th (+5:20)
Gassner 5th (+6:23)
Canarias IRC
Wiegand 6th
Gassner accident (in time of crash 6th 20 secs ahead of Wiegand)
Tour de Corse IRC
Wiegand 8th (+6:54,8)
Gassner 9th (+7:10,2)
Rally Deutschland SWRC
Wiegand - accident in penultimate stage, after leg 1 14th; after leg 2 11th
Gassner - 21st, after leg 1 16th; after leg 2 29th
Wiegand has to improve alot on gravel. In cyprus on some stages he got 3s per km from mikkelsen and that is quite frankly a calendar in rallying
Wiegand is better on gravel than asphalt. Gassner didn't compete against him on gravel that is true. But Wiegand was loosing much less to IRC front runners on gravel than on asphalt. He even won a stage in San Marino against Mikkelsen and Basso.Quote:
Originally Posted by eestlane
Those stages with 3s/km were with broken damper...
Wiegand need an experienced high professional Co Driver for his future.
Ok i was wrong about Gassner. He was showing great speed in spain last year but my point was why vw wants so much a german driver when they know that alot of other drivers have a brighter future
He had that with Timo GottschalkQuote:
Originally Posted by werner
There were several experienced for Wiegand, but a special person made some decisions ...Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
Why VW needs German driver? Why not. They can do anything they like with their team. Already have each driver of the fastest Rally nations recently, so why don't have a German driver too. This would be loved in Germany I think.
The one who decided the other co driver changes in the VW camp?Quote:
Originally Posted by werner
I hope Wiegand will show some progress in 2013, because this year he was average at the beginning of the year and also in the end...no major improvement. I am looking forward to see him against Lappi. They are on the same level of experience I would say and both prefer gravel ;) And there are some fast Germans around....but not mentioned here yet ;)
Because 80 million German buys 220x more cars than Estonians every year (based on 2011 data)? Because those German are in love with new domestic cars and still keep 5th largest car market in the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by eestlane
Just a big shame that a talent like Abbring gets stuck in his career because of political decisions. VW told him he had done nothing wrong. If he would get the chance to show himself during a whole season in WRC2 or ERC I think he would surprise a lot of people...
But I can sort of understand VW's decision...
Capito said in an interview that they keep supporting Wiegand and Abbring. He is not keeping his word???
Capito isn't the only manager in VW team...
That's for sure, but not very professional to confirm Abbring first and then "kick him out"
Perhaps VW would encourage any customer teams that use the Polo R (though I can't see any appearing until 2014) to take Abbring.
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Originally Posted by mousti
Yesss!
actually he is faster on gravel then on tarmac compared to the top runners. and he´s 100% faster then gassner, who has 4wd experience since 4 years now, while wiegand drove a 4wd car first time in 2012. gassner also did a whole season with the skoda in 2011. don´t get me wrong, i dont have some german "wiegand is the best ever" glasses on. i only want to say that we don´t have some better guy around at the moment and he has potential. if he´s really a top driver...i don´t know. he has to prove that. in my opinion he should show some pieces of brilliance in 2013, some scratch times etc. if he doesn´t...then he´s probably not a future star. but at the moment i understand that vw is supporting him (if they do at all, i´m not sure). his 2013 programm is from skoda germany, with juka car. probably some money support from vw and i don´t see anything wrong about that.
and what other fast german´s you were talking about? maybe there are some, yes, but they need to be discovered first. hope the 3 cups (opel, renault, citroen) will help. there also where some in the past, but i think theyre time is over, too old now.
Pitty if they drop Abbring... He is one of the drivers who has most potential at the moment, he is probably as fast as Neuville (during the first test with DS3, Neuville tested a day, and Abbring the day after, apparently Abbring adapted to the DS3 faster than Neuville). Some people are talking Gilbert is the new big talent, but Abbring was beating him easily in the French gravel championship last year... Pitty VW gave Mikkelsen all chances this year and noone to Kevin.
We'll see what VW is going to decide when Wiegand doesn't really improve and Mikkelsen crashes the car twice every 3 rallies...
They already can start thinking about it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
For France I think Bonnefis is the best choice even by far I think. He doesn't crash often but has very fast pace on Tarmac and Gravel where he challenges several WRC's.
It's not easy to estimate Bonnefis his talent, everyone knows he is fast, but how fast? For me Lefebvre and Consani are the 2 most talented, regarding prestations/experience/age etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
For me, Chardonnet and Arzeno aren't bad neither, but a bit older... Bonnefis never had competition on the French Gravel championship this year, so difficult to estimate his pace on gravel. The drivers of the WRC cars were gentleman drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Arzeno did international events and it's clear he s not the new coming French superstar. He is very fast sometimes but also crashes too much and his pace isn't consistent.
Tommeke, maybe it's better always add first name when speaking about Consani. Most of people who doesn't follow French championship don't know You speak about Stéphane and not about Robert ;)
Yes, Stéphane Consani of course, and Stéphane Lefebvre
The WRC car’s 2,5 bar boost limit is absolute pressure (air pressure + boost).Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/fil...%282013%29.pdf page 4, “Turbo pressure: maximum = 2.5b absolute”
With the figures you gave, a R4 would have 3,0 – 3,2 bar absolute pressure.
Don't you mean 1,8-2,0 bar, OldF? ;)
Calculating with restrictor area works very well. Gerard Quinn said on Twitter when the Fiesta RRC was introduced, that the RRC has 260 ps https://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn/s...69763129729024Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I calculated the WRC cars power based on that and was confused when I got as result 314,6 ps but know we have an explanation for the result.
You’re correct. I’m getting old :) . For some odd reason I added the 0,5 – 0,7 to 2,5. I should have read Dimviii’s post more thoroughly.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
The correct absolute pressure for a R4 would then be 2,8 – 3,0 bar.
I have a dim memory that Dimviii once said that a R4 have 2,2 bar boost but I’m not sure. Again, calculating with restrictor sizes a N4 with 32 mm restrictor and 2 bar gives 2,13 bar as a result for a 33 mm restrictor.
Christian Riedemann perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstar
I've always walked away impressed when I have seen him on stages.
Admittedly, I haven't followed him much, and he seems to have slipped a bit into 'oblivion' since the two Fabia rides last year.
Regarding his prestations in Rallye du Var and Ypres this year, I don't think he will make it... ;)
riedemann is very fast in germany, but i think that only shows how bad the competition level is in germany. he´s shurely not slow(and i had some hope he wil make it in wrc academy) but on his international outings he always got beaten up. btw. gassner also is looking very, very fast when you see him live on the stages, but the times where always rather bad. but look at loeb live, one of the most boring drivers...
I see - as I said, haven't seen him a lot and it has been quite a while since last time, so doesn't exactly surprise me a lot.
And darkstar might be right - when I have seen him, it's been in Germany, that might affect him? Wikinger '12 was impressive by him for sure, by a long way the best fwd-driver and looked to be aggressive, pushing hard yet still not enough to be slowing him down. Hard to describe, it just looked like a good combination of pushing and keeping it on rails. :)
We have to define when we say boost pressure whqat we mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Some people mean the overboost pressure,some other the ct boost pressure.
overboost is the turbo pressure we have at midrange rpm when turbo spools,ct boost pressure is when the rpms are at the higher band ie 5000-6000rpm etc.
big overboost pressure help to create more torque,while big ct pressure will help to have bigger number at peak horsepower.
example grN evos can create about 2 bar overboost,but cant ''hold'' more than 1,5-1,6 bar at high revs with restrictor.All these are not rule,but depents to external temperatures a lot.At Finland-Sweden Norway or at mediterannean winter cold rallies you can,but at summer rallies with 30+ temp is difficult.
Wrc cars now can have a 2,5 bar overboost(as the limit) and for sure can hold much more ct pressure from an N4-R4 due to less cc(1600 vs 2000) and different boost pressure hardware system.
He was setting impressive times in Ypres this year (except the problems), almost matching Aigner's R4 Subaru pace in the little DS3 R3T...Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstar
he had some fastest times in his class, but arzeno, demaerschalk and even kangur were faster then him pretty often. i dont want to say he is a bad driver. there are maybe reasons i dont know, why he was so slow in the wrc adademy(maybe founding?). and also in his outings with the vw skoda. in germany he was very impressive this year, no doubt. but i think there wont be another chance for him at vw, except he can get some international programm in 2013 and can show some very good pace.
pretty often means four or five times? Arzeno is also a very fast man, don't forget that, Demaerschalk went off heavily quite early and Kangur was driving like a maniac, I still wonder how he made it to the finish :D :D The biggest problem in the Academy are the cars...if you don't have the budget to change the "important parts" on every service, you have a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstar
Why should he look for another chance at VW? They were not even interested in Hänninen. I hope he will kick asses in the Fiesta ;)
Great photo!
http://i49.tinypic.com/2r2xe1f.jpg
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