so, how Peter still driving in sunday and saturday stages if the Swedish police revoked his licence ?
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so, how Peter still driving in sunday and saturday stages if the Swedish police revoked his licence ?
As said before:Quote:
Originally Posted by Catiocha7
1. Petter lost his licence right away at friday when he was speeding +32kmh (80limit and he drove 112kmh)
2. He get 48h more time to drive (as regulations in Sweden or some else country, because he had to drive, but limit is 48hours)
3. That 48 hours was over just before last SS. He couldn't take that risk to drive without license.
Interesting about Petter. Here in the US, CO-drivers are allowed to drive on transits and up to 20% of stage miles. I hope he isn't excluded. What does this mean for the rest of his year? How do you go about getting your license back over there?
No, why would he? Of course he was told (as anyone else losing his license in Sweden) that he could drive for 48 more hours on the Friday when he lost the license. For sure noone told him right before Gustavsfors not to drive - but if he would have driven I guess it would have been a calculated risk. For sure someone would have noticed it suddenly he would have commited a much more serious crime called "Olovlig körning" (~Unauthorized driving) and could have gotten in much more serious trouble with the cops.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
And to TyPat107: Petter will get his license back when he leaves the country, so I guess it shouldn't be a problem.
what a great start as variety of points and stage wins goes....hope the trend continues, doubt it though.
If you loose your license, is it forbidden to drive into the stage?
Apparently Loeb couldnīt get his car started and going without Petter.. I mean Patterson giving him a push with their DS3 after the final stage.
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...---katso-video
Now.. did that go by the book or should Loeb be disqualified for that - since I thought that any outside help outside the stages is forbidden? At least the spectators arenīt allowed to push/assistant the car outside the stages.
Please quote the specific section of the rule book that states the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyPat107
Maybe Petter was in hurry and forgot to mention to Chris which pedal is the break pedal :-)
Loeb's drama and Petter Solberg's quote:
http://www.rallysport.hu/info/2011/0...sved_rally.htm
my opinion is that Loeb will be disqualified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
Yes, according to the rules he should be...
What would happen to the live points if Loeb gets disqualified, Would the driver who was 4th on the live stage recive a single point?
Are you sure. If you are within the TK zone or in the park ferme, you will be disqualified. It is that Loeb and Daniel made sure not to be, by pushing the car out of the TK zone last plate.
I think!!!
They were pushed by another competitor. That is forbidden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 2
If i heard right on that film:
"it's okey to push with rallycar, because next car is on the road, team said so"
this video is responsible for the 3rd heart attack for QuesnelQuote:
Originally Posted by Fri
a rally that they want to erase from their memories.
Great rally! Would be great if this could last all season! (doubt it)
Since Loeb is blocking the road they are allowed to have outside help to push the car to the side of the road so that others could pass them (?). If they had done that the car would have gone nowhere from there, instead they give the car a push start and it gets on going. A fishy thing and that is why I bet he wonīt be disqualified. Viva la whateva.
i think thats too many heart attacks in the 1st rally they knew it was lost before it even started....but if you say so.
Miika: this is what i was also thinking...we will see..
Exactly. Loeb didn't get his engine running and car going without outside help. He should be disqualified. There is no question about it. But then again... this is world rally championship. I am 100% sure he won't get any penalty. I am also 100% sure Mr. Quesnel and Mr. Solberg had a chat before the last stage. Maybe I am skeptic. Or maybe I am just realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
I guess problem comes if Loeb says that he never asked to get a push, that Petter just collided into him from behind...?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarriK
If Loeb wont get disqualified... Chris Patterson could become a driver who decided the world championship title on his first ever rally stage :D
Here is what WRC Regulations say:
Quote:
20.1.2
Cars may only be towed, transported or pushed in order to bring them back onto the rally road
or to clear the rally route.
Well, according to the rule book, everything was OK.It is allowed to use assistance to push the car back on the road or remove the car if it is blocking the road. Accidentally the car got going during the removing process.
The smart thing by Loeb and Elena was their hard job. They managed to move the car to a narrow place where it was blocking the road 100% So, I dont see anything illegal here. But you newer know marshals. However, I dont want to be in the skin of the Sweden marshals, it is still very complicated situation.
Loeb's car needed outside help to be able to start. How complicated is that? It is very simple. It was not pushed to clear the road, but to start the engine. Use also your brains and not only law text. He should be disqualified.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by ttiirika
at video it was clear that Daniel was hitting the starter button to help it to move.
I almost can see Malcolm tonight with champagnes getting drunk lol
and flogged i must add to the central square of stockholm....little kids with small ambitions feeding on a giants corpse....
exactly 1 month until F1 begins.....ok i think i can take it.
this is defenetly not a clear situation...im exited what will happen. at last he should receive some time penalty for sure...
That's the problem. You MUST use the rule text. Only what is written is valid for any decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by ttiirika
By the way Jonathan Ashman, head of FIA Rally Commission, is also head of stewards in Sweden.
Nice pictures..
I'm with you dude. Rules are rules - you might not like, but you have to accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
For sure rally is firstly mean to be also endurance race.
Also you can help competitors by pushing during the SS. So why not outside of the SS.--> I know well rules thought and it's forbidden. But in service they could also fix that kind of problem easily. Nowdays it's typical sure that rally is race in the SS more, maybe some rules are not so "up to date"...some are watched through the fingers...
difficulty is to decite what it was...pushing the car out the way and as a possitive effect the car suddenly startet by itself? or pushing the car to start the engine?
I just red the comments under results site:
LOEB S. / ELENA D. (st. č. 1) "I'd like to push on this one, some mistakes. We'll see." /
He got what he want :-P
Moreover it is clear from video they checked it before do such things. So, I don't think rules were broken.
Well you seems to have forgotten that both Hirvonen and Latvala also used to crash allot, and PG is not different from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
If i'm not mistaken both MH and JML crashed out of Rally Finland a few years ago when being just a few stages from the end of the rally.
PG lost allot of time due to punctures and a broken servo steering.
Then i read something really concerning regarding the Lovhaugen stage. Apparently Swedish Champ Mats Jonsson were very very close on colliding with a snowmobile on that stage.
Apparently the snowmobile driver was driving his vehicle on the stage towards the oncoming cars. source.