Most probably there are more snobs in Denmark then in other countries?! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pino
Or you had something different in mind? :p
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Most probably there are more snobs in Denmark then in other countries?! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pino
Or you had something different in mind? :p
Yep, it's a HOT phone all right. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I of course am being cheeky here - if it's on print, it's not necessarily true.
Galaxy S3 Reportedly Explodes, Samsung Investigating
It's exactly this kind of justification from customers that lets Apple put such ridiculous price stickers on inferior products and people are happy paying it, because hey, it works!Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
If you have a problem with my posts or my "language", please add me to your ignore list. :)
The reason I called Apple products trash is because of the huge difference in price for inferior products. Okay, so in your and henners' opinion the OS X is better and convenient than Windows 7, and it's easy to use for its customers. Okay, so Apple charges more for that. But if I'm paying extra, shouldn't I get the SAME or at least comparable hardware?
Why is there a difference of $800 between the two laptops below? And keep in mind, you're getting inferior hardware on the Macbook for the extra $800.
Amazon.com: Apple MacBook Pro MD102LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop (NEWEST VERSION): Computers & Accessories
Amazon.com: Dell XPS X15Z-7502ELS 15-Inch Laptop (Elemental Silver): Electronics
Only for the Mac OS X? :)
I'm no tech expert, but I don't think a "better OS" (which is laughable BTW) and a brand name deserves the extra $800.
From that money, I can buy the Dell XPS laptop AND a brand spanking new Samsung Galaxy S3.
THIS is exactly what I can't understand. Both the One X and S3 are technical masterpieces and pretty much thrash the iPhone 4S in every department imaginable. Hell, the "old" S2 did it a year ago, and S3 is only better. Android 4.0 ICS has proven to be a much better and versatile OS compared to iOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
BUT yet, they are in the same price range.
People would still buy the iPhone though, because they want the brand name as Jag explained a few posts ago. Beauty is only skin deep. ;)
Again, I must live in a parallel universe. The 10-15 programmers I know (one of them works for Qualcomm in San Diego, CA, one for Google in Bangalore and some others for bioinformatics companies) are not Mac fans whatsoever. It is from talking with them that I got this "anti-Apple" attitude. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Linux is the primary choice, followed by Windows at least for the ones that I know.
Yeah, one isolated incident is enough to strike fear in the hearts of Galaxy S3 users.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
iPhone 4 Explodes Midflight on Australian Airline - ABC News
Ayla Mota's iPhone explodes: Device emits smoke and sparks while charging | Mail Online
iPhone 4S Battery Explosion Problem
Another Iphone 4s Explodes In Brazil - Phones - Nairaland
Be afraid, be VERY afraid the next time you put your iPhone next to your ear. :p
On a PC with similar specs? I highly doubt it. I have used all applications included in the Adobe Creative Suite on a Mac, a PC, a Macbook and a Dell laptop and didn't find any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
For the price of a Mac though you can buy a killer PC with double the specs, which will wipe the floor with the Mac with ease in any area imaginable. I have used such a monster with an SSD. Win 7 boots to desktop in 15 seconds flat, and Photoshop fires up in max 2-3 seconds. Rendering tasks in Premiere are a breeze. The Mac would of course be seriously trailing behind at this point for the SAME price. But of course if you're unsure of how to use or set up a PC, then it's gonna be tough. :D
First of all, the specs are quite similar. They both have a 1 Ghz single core processor I believe, and I wouldn't call a 250 MB RAM advantage of the HTC to be "streets ahead."Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Second, you're comparing Android 2.2 Froyo with iOS 5. A better comparison would be 2.3 Gingerbread, especially with Samsung's touchwhiz UI, which makes it the biggest competitor to Apple, not HTC. Android 4.0 ICS is of course better than iOS 5.
Anyway, traditionally Android requires slightly better hardware, just because it's so versatile and customizable.
When the iPhone 4S was beaten in every area by the Galaxy S2, and still sells more, that tells you how much people really pay attention to reviews or even bother with what's inside their phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Also, you do realize that iPhone hardware + touchscreen were made by Samsung. Apple didn't invent apps. They were also a result of widgets made by Samsung. Galaxy S2 sold close to 10 million phones in a year, and was only a close second to iPhone 4S. Apple stayed ahead because of better brand marketing, flashy TV ads (especially the one with Siri doing unrealistic things which it doesn't do in reality) and creating hype around their phones. How many Apple ads do you see on TV versus Samsung ads?
In Apple's case, the products actually are inferior sold at a higher price. Apple's image, brand name, product placement (Macbooks with the bright Apple logo in Hollywood movies) and fancy exterior is what's keeping them marginally ahead..... for now. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
While I agree with what you say, I'll make sure to pass on your expert advice to the outdated guys working on Qualcomm's next gen mobile processor, Google translate and the ones designing apps for Android or optimizing Android's upcoming Jelly Bean OS for tablets. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
And the prejudices aren't past, they're quite recent actually. :p
Dear henners, it is because Android is a much better OS, and because it is so customizable, requires slightly better hardware. You cannot customize iOS NEARLY as well as you can with Android, not even close. Think of it as a fancy video game which requires more horsepower.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Going by your logic, Windows Phone 7 is the best mobile OS ever, as it requires even less horsepower and blasts the iPhone 4S in benchmark tests with inferior hardware.
First of all the S2 is compared to iPhone 4S not the older iPhone 4, because it's in the same price bracket ($150 cheaper though) as the iPhone 4S. It's got better hardware, bigger screen and is faster at everything, even at booting. It boots to home screen in half the time of the 4S.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
First of all, Android is open source, so even Apple or Nokia can use them, but they choose not to. You can even install Android on your laptop, it's free to download.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Second, nobody stops Apple from releasing phones more often. Hell, they release an iPad every year. So, their latest phone will be compared to the closest competitor I'm afraid. The iPhone 4S cannot be compared with HTC One X or Galaxy S3, because they're both in a different league. But the iPhone 5 will be compared to these.
Third, the iOS 5 is not better than Android 4.0 ICS. You may believe it is, but it's not, as it has been proven in many tests by phone review websites by smartphone experts. So, there's no reason really for Apple to charge a premium. They do it, because they can and because Apple customers believe they are justified.
I didn't know your part-time job was being Oracle, henners. :p I highly doubt the iPhone 5 would be more powerful, but let's see. Apple have a history of unveiling underpowered gadgets. :p The iPhone 4S with much inferior hardware and features than the Galaxy S3, is in the same price range, which is just ridiculous BTW. I highly doubt the Apple would be able to keep the price competitive with a much more powerful iPhone 5, especially if it's got a bigger screen, because as it goes with Apple, every little change adds $200 to the total price.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Also, let's watch that space about who's the market leader in 2 years. iPhone is slightly ahead right now, because it got the jump in the smartphone arena.
Android came from nowhere, made a similar OS and interface, and jumped from 4th at its debut to now world's number one smartphone OS. Through different devices, it now has almost 60% of the world's smartphone share. And since it's open source, they have been developing it at frantic pace, pretty much forcing Apple's hand, which resulted in the launch of iPhone 4S instead of waiting another year for the iPhone 5.
The reason Apple sells more at this point is because it's an established brand, a lot of people are aware of the name Apple. Many don't know about Android, and Samsung is doing a great job putting the name out there with its Galaxy phones.
I think the Retina displays are produced by LG. Not sure though ...Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
In estonian technology columns people always passionate fights on topics like "OS X vs Windows vs Linux" or "WP vs Android vs iOS". I think it rather childish as these are merely products and do not pose any real value in our lives.
Relax dude, it was a harmless joke. No need to take it too seriously. While my posts may seem condescending, I don't have evil intent. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Well, Qualcomm could be a possible customer to Apple in the future. :D
I might have made the mistake of generalizing again, as I once had a conversation with an Apple fanboy who told me how Android was a rip-off of "Apple" and that they also stole the idea of mobile apps that Apple "invented". :(Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
And that's a bad thing because...?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Android is not a more rip off of iphones then iphones are rip offs of Palm pilots.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Apple took a concept (palm pilots with touch screens) and made it better. Now HTC/Samsung/Google have improved the concept further.
A classis quote. You have become an Apple hater primarily due to your limited association with other Apple haters. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Having spent a number of years self employed in the sign industry, your statements concerning the graphics field are flat out wrong. The field has for years been dominated by Apple.
Being that you are basing your dislike on second hand information, it's no surprise that you don't understand that hardware specs alone don't create a great system. I've built PCs for decades now, and have seen supposed inferior hardware and software vastly outperform the "better" alternatives. The same often applies to phones. The only true test is a side by side comparison, and most often you find that neither is superior in all aspects.
The market volume alone speaks for Apple. You can hate them all you want, as your opinion isn't hurting their bottom line in the slightest.
I'm in danger of repeating myself, but I will anyway. Like I said before, Android requires slightly better hardware to work, because of how customizable it really is, and how many options you have to play around with compared to the iOS 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
There are mods based off of Android 4.0 ICS, especially one called Cyanogen - CyanogenMod | Android Community Rom based on Ice Cream Sandwich - something like this BTW will NEVER be possible on an iPhone.
They were forced to rush the iPhone 4S though because of Android's rapidly increasing popularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
If the iPhone 5 is better than the S3 and is around the same price range, I'll be HIGHLY surprised. If the specs are even equal, I expect it to be at least $200 to $300 more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Really? I wasn't talking about iPhones, but Apple as a whole. Their products are ridiculously overpriced. Take this Macbook Pro as an example - Amazon.com: Apple MacBook Pro MD103LL/A 15.4-Inch Laptop (NEWEST VERSION): Computers & AccessoriesQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
If you select the 750 GB option, the price increases to $400. WTF? $400 for a 250 GB increase?? A 500 GB notebook hard drive costs no more than $80. Why does the hard drive (with half the space) on a Macbook cost 10 times as much?!? Is there gold lining in the hard drive which helps it to not crash? :)
So far NOBODY in this whole thread has actually been able to give valid reasons apart from "convenience" and "ease of use" to explain Apple charging ridiculous premium for inferior hardware. Like I gave links to the Dell XPS and Macbook before, with an $800 difference for inferior hardware, EVEN if the Dell hard drive failures (which for me it hasn't ever in a decade), I can change it 10 times and still come $100 cheaper than the Macbook. :)
At the same price, a laptop will run circles around the Macbook, also run applications faster and smoother than the Macbook. Not to mention the fact that there are twice the number of applications available for Windows. Plus, probably 3 out of 10 respectable game developers actually make a game for Mac. You can check the ratio of games produced for PC and Mac.
Most of the folks I know that bought iPhones, first of all purely as a fashion accessory to not lose face in society, second, were unsure about Android or said that the interface seemed "confusing" to them. The female friend with the kid that I talked about earlier, bought the iPhone because she thought the Samsung had inferior hardware, and it would stop working or break, maybe because they're "Chinese". :roflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
And this I'm talking about from personal experience living for short, but valid periods of time in India, USA, UK, France and now Romania.
...it gives Apple free rein to charge ridiculous premium for inferior hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
think about for a while, how would you react if you were to buy a car, lets say a KIA, and the price`was the same as for a Rolls Royce. How would you react to that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Boy, we can take things seriously. Is putting smileys at the end no more a valid expression to indicate that was a "joke"?? Probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
What utter crap. First of all, my opinion is based on personal and work experience, not "second hand" information as you have very naively assumed. The talk with programmers and "Apple hate" was an obvious joke. I have for years now worked as a graphic-web designer and a video editor. I have designed several websites, and also designed the website for my own online business (links I can't give because of privacy reasons). I've hand coded CSS, HTML and javascript and worked mainly with Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver etc. and have intermittently used everything in the Adobe CS for the past 8 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
First of all, Apple does not dominate the field, that's utter bull crap. It depends on the place you work at, whether the company decides to install PC or Mac. Apple uses subset PC hardware for Macs, and so ATI and Nvidia graphic cards on both PC and Mac are technically exactly the same, even if Apple would like you to believe that their motherboards are superior. You can have better hardware on PC for lesser, and that is what a design suite needs, good hardware. The number of production houses and graphic design companies I've worked at, had Macs for video editing (only for Final Cut Pro) and PCs for everything else, which was the sensible thing to do.
Second, with PC, you get variety of options with spec, price, quality and a number of different vendors, you have many options, whereas for Mac you have very limited options, and if it ever goes tits up, you only have one vendor to repair it. Have you tried changing a component like a hard drive or a graphic card on a Mac? With PCs you can constantly upgrade every 6 months, nobody stops you. And not to mention the most obvious fact, Macs are ridiculously expensive.
If you were to make a website for example, whether it's heavy and feature rich, uses a lot of Flash or is light is irrelevant, you will most likely use the Adobe Suite to do it, and both PC and Mac will get it done. The difference is that for the price of a Mac, you will build a much, MUCH faster PC which will get the job done faster. This I have experienced myself as I have worked both on Mac and PC. What I have found with Macs is the transitions are smoother, because of the way their OS works and is designed, which gives the impression it is smoother, but that doesn't make it faster. Stuff like final rendering of HD videos or animations take the same amount of time on a Mac as it would on a similarly speced PC, and this I have witnessed "first hand" working as a video editor myself and sitting next to 3D modelers and animators.
In the field of designing and video/audio editing, whichever software you're using, it takes the same amount of time to process. It's true in the case of video editing, whether you're using Adobe Premiere on PC or Final Cut Pro on Mac or in the case of audio editing, whether you're using Sound Forge or Audacity or Acid Pro or Soundbooth. A lot depends on processing power and especially for all the applications included in the Adobe CS, they'll only go as fast as the hardware allows, so the use of Mac OS X or Windows 7 for designing purposes is irrelevant.
Some companies might go with Apple for their offices, because of "convenience" or "ease of use" and the fact that Apple's corporate customers enjoy better customer and technical support. That doesn't change the fact that for the price of a Mac, the PC you'll build will always be superior and for a lot of other media publishing houses, who know what to do with their computers, PC is always the first choice.
Are you sure about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
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It will be a LOT of decades until Apple actually becomes a serious contender to Microsoft's domination of the computer world. It was and always will remain a luxury brand, not for serious computing IMO.
Also, it's pretty childish to assume that I would think me slandering Apple is gonna affect their sales. WTF? If I wanted to do that, I'd stand with a placard outside their headquarters, not post on a motorsport "discussion" forum. :p
Probably this image explains my point in more detail :D
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Sorry, couldn't resist. Was too funny not to post. :laugh:
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This is just like playing Top Trumps. Fun, but ultimately pointless.
Obviously I forgot to add that the Cyanogen Mod (based off of Android 4.0 ICS) is optimized to be installed even on phones which are 4 years older. I have seen it running fine on a crappy 500 Mhz Samsung Galaxy 5. So, it will work like a breeze on your HTC henners. Does Apple allow modding of their OS? Can you customize your home screen on an iPhone with whatever you can throw in there? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
First question is, why is the iPhone 4S at the same price as the Galaxy S3?? That is, for everything that is pure and holy, just blatant robbery by Apple. The Galaxy S3 is twice the phone the iPhone 4S can even dream of being, then why do Apple charge more?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Second, confirmed on Amazon.com, the difference of price between the 16 GB and 32 GB version of Samsung Galaxy S3 is $100.
The difference of price between the 16 GB and 32 GB iPhone 4S is $250. So, again, I repeat my question. Do I get golden eggs along with extra physical storage from Apple? The point about how good the operating system is, is moot here. The fact is Apple charges twice the price for even stupid storage increase for apparently no reason whatsoever. And the fact that it has no expandable memory is the icing on the cake.
Another example:
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net...58707_700b.jpg
Price of iPhone 4 right now - $570
Price of Samsung Galaxy S2 - $450
Source: Amazon.com
Hmm. $120 more for an inferior phone, feature wise AND hardware wise. Wow, such a tough choice!
Well, henners, so are you saying that Apple charging $800 more for a lesser speced Macbook is OKAY? Yes or no? Are you saying they're justified in asking that price, and that if given the choice, you would buy the Macbook?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Here's another example:
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net...06868_700b.jpg
Whether they're aimed at gamers or not is irrelevant. If I'm paying freakin $2000 for a PC, it better well play games.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I don't know why console players suddenly think they're cooler for playing the same games that PC gamers play on PC. Societal pressure? :p Consoles are low definition b@stard kids of PC. Whichever game you can think of, will run better on PC. You can attach a wireless controller to a PC, but you can't play with a mouse and keyboard on consoles.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I'm sure your wife would absolutely LOVE to read this. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
That friend and a lot of other folks that I know, somehow remind me that a lot of iPhone buyers and users, without sounding too condescending, are not very technologically savvy. This enables Apple to promote their products with flashy ads and with really unrealistic expectations. With their advertisement campaigns, they can even make a turd look like a diamond ring, an example that I'll show you in my next post. I would consider myself a bit more knowledgeable in techy stuff, not an expert though, and simply knowing how the way Apple charges a premium is criminal, annoys me. Rant over.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
If Apple is so loved and they make such amazing products, why are they the target of ridicule and are being made fun of by the tech crowd?
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http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net...38_700b_v1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
USB Port! Apparently Apple has never heard of it before!
Another example of Apple advertising:
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:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Sorry the off topic...hanners mate don't forget F1 at Valencia and England v Italy tonight ;)
:p :
I didn't say such simple stupid things on the home screen. That's basic. Can you work with widgets, change the appearance of the way it shows time, weather, temperature, put a youtube or Google search bar, a dictionary bar, put Google analytics widget which refreshes every few minutes and shows you how many visits your website had today? That's not "hacking". Simply more freedom than what iPhone allows.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
:laugh: Why do you keep using the word "hack"? Do you understand what hacking means? Customizing an OS is not called hacking. Getting into the source code of a program and exploit its vulnerability or change how it operates, that's what's called hacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Yep. $800 more for an inferior laptop is perfectly justified for Apple fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Nicer phone my @ss.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Already have it, and it does things that no iPhone does.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
A good gaming PC can be built for 1 grand. It's only Macs which go up to 2 grands.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Dude, you were the one taking a dig on PC gamers first. And the Dell laptop is not $2000, it cost $600 and does 10 times the things your PS3 does. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
You would have to be really noobish to think a console does the same things as a PC. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Good for him! Does that mean all graphic design companies have Macs? NO. They're still minorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Also, having an Apple product doesn't mean you have the latest in technology. It just means you paid more for your product. :D
Why not? What if I'm outdoors and I wanna transfer documents to my iPad through a USB memory stick? Do I copy it first to my computer and then my iPad? How much would it have cost Apple to put one USB port on the iPad?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Tablets are just stupid, full stop. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
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At least you have the OPTION of the widgets. You can turn them off, turn wi-fi and sync off as well and have your battery running for a week. Yeah, you're right. An under-performing, under-featured phone is more expensive than its better counterpart and people still pay the premium for the former. These are definitely tech experts.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Nicer looking my @ss. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I have no gripes with the PS3 actually. Both the PS3 and Xbox360 are properly priced products, unlike the iPad. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Does your house have adequate heating henners? I don't like to get frozen in winters. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
And while you're at it, can you show me some links proving this fact? I would happily say I'm wrong if you can somehow prove this.
I'm not homophobic nor sexist. So, those pics are not put there with that intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I believe that dude in the middle is a famous singer? And since they're all wearing white and using iPads, it seemed funny enough to me.