Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Yes, but if you watch the race again you will see that at the corner entry Hammy was closer to The Shoe than he was to Mouldy, which is why the one worked out and the other didn't.

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Not by a lot, and if I was in Hamilton's position then I'd certainly have expected Maldonado to have known the pass was coming.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

And Villeneuve should have been penalised for overtaking Schumacher into dry sac in 97 Jerez. Their coming together was clearly his fault. Schumacher should have 9 championships.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. :up: Villeneuve clearly should have known what he was doing, he almost effed up his championship by trying to overtake in a "car race".

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

He pulled virtually an identical move on Schumacher that ended fine, in fact it was supreme driving from both of them.

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I was going to say the exact same thing. The fact is that Lewis was actually further ahead at the same part of the track compared to his move on MS. The only difference is that Maldonado just turned sooner than he should have.

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

Not by a lot, and if I was in Hamilton's position then I'd certainly have expected Maldonado to have known the pass was coming.

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I agree that he should have realised that this is Hammy coming (an agressive and good passer as we all know) and that he is right here, but the reality was far different and Mouldy also had the racing line. Hammy should also have said to himself, "wonder if this new guy is gonna co-operate with me here?" Well he got his clue down the straight and the answer in the corner! Like I said, Hammy had his Sato switch on last Sunday.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Dude, Hammys front wheel almost hit Mouldys rear wheel. He was also running out of space with the approaching right hand corner, which is why his whole car went over the kerb. I agree that Mouldy swerved twice down the straight which is supposed to be illegal, but when they got to the corner, it was only going to end in tears. Hammy should not have been where he was.

Now I am a big fan of Hammys driving and his gutsy overtakes (I think he is the best in F1 when it comes to overtaking) but on Sunday he was a complete idiot. Its like someone hit his Sato switch just before the start.

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Do we agree on this?

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

The only difference is that Maldonado just turned sooner than he should have.

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Turning on the racing line is not turning too early, its turning just right.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Turning on the racing line is not turning too early, its turning just right.

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Check out the car in front of Maldonado in the video between 00:06 and 00:09. Check where the car ahead turns to make the apex, THAT is the racing line. Now, check where Maldonado turns in. Come on, you don't have to be this biased. Even Sam Michael from Williams called it a racing incident. Nobody stops him from laying it into Hamilton, yet he didn't point his finger on him. Although what he meant when he said it was a "racing incident" is that his driver had a brain fart.

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Do we agree on this?

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Nope. Still pictures reveal nothing but a fraction of a moment in time. Watch the whole footage in real time and the two scenarios above are very similar indeed, but not identical.

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Check out the car in front of Maldonado in the video between 00:06 and 00:09. Check where the car ahead turns to make the apex, THAT is the racing line. Now, check where Maldonado turns in. Come on, you don't have to be this biased. Even Sam Michael from Williams called it a racing incident. Nobody stops him from laying it into Hamilton, yet he didn't point his finger on him. Although what he meant when he said it was a "racing incident" is that his driver had a brain fart.

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From my couch and on my TV on Sunday and last night, the line taken by Mouldy was 99% the same taken by all the other drivers during the race. Maybe my TV is skew :p :

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Damon admitted in an interview a few years after he retired that yes, he had indeed messed up by trying to pass The Shoe in Oz 94. He said if he knew The Shoe had just gone off he would have waited until after the corner and tried. The Shoe placed his car in the corner and Damon ploughed into the side of him. The rest as they say is History.

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Yeah, he probably should have waited for a wide open track, at least 20 meters wide to overtake Schumacher, not in a corner, obviously since Schumacher was dazed from the mighty huge shunt and couldn't use his rear view mirrors. :)

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Turning on the racing line is not turning too early, its turning just right.

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It's too early if there's someone inside you ;)

When you watch the in car from Hamilton it's hardly an out of the way attempt at a pass, it's not even like the move that Schumi pulled on Lewis in the first lap.