Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

Yeah it is. And now, instead of Ferrari being thrown in good light because of a Massa win after his horrible accident they are now thrown into bad light because of team orders.

It's all very sad...

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Fairytale stories are rare. Leave that to Hollywood.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

You would prefer it if they said 'dump fuel, you are way too heavy'?

If you save fuel when you are not under threat, you will have more chance of successfully fending off an attacker if that scenario arrives later in the race.

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Save fuel = hold position

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Originally Posted by wedge

Save fuel = hold position

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It could mean that, but...

Save fuel = Save fuel.

Imagine that?

I don't see what all the fuss is about and I'm a Massa supporter. Alonso is the only one of the Ferrari drivers with a decent chance of winning the 2010 WDC and Ferrari were trying to get him closer to the top of the driver standings. We don't have to like it and I feel for Massa, but it is a team sport after all.

Team orders still exist, just because the FIA says it is illegal now does not mean it doesn't happen anymore.

And yes, I expect to take a lashing for the above comment :p :

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Team orders still exist, just because the FIA says it is illegal now does not mean it doesn't happen anymore.

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Yep, they do. But only Ferrari are short sighted enough to blatantly flout the regulation.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

You would prefer it if they said 'dump fuel, you are way too heavy'?

If you save fuel when you are not under threat, you will have more chance of successfully fending off an attacker if that scenario arrives later in the race.

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at the time, lewis was right in front of button upon lewis exit from pits and might well have attacked lewis....but the message was delivered....of course maybe it meant save fuel and it was just coincidence that it was before the midrace point, and lewis was just now in front

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

It could mean that, but...

Save fuel = Save fuel.

Imagine that?

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At Istanbul Button attacks Hamilton and afterwards is adamantly told to save fuel and suddenly backs. After the race it turns out Button had more fuel than Hamilton left in the tank and therefore enough for another attack.

Robbed of a racing spectacle - going by the logic of the majority after yesterday.

Arguably "saving fuel" is far more explicit than a being told a team mate is quicker than you but at the end of the day its down to the driver to interpret those commands.

1982 San Marino GP Villenueve and Pironi were told to slow down and there were two different interpretations. Pironi apparantly stole the race from Gilles and, ironically enough, has been the villain ever since.

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Originally Posted by wedge

At Istanbul Button attacks Hamilton and afterwards is adamantly told to save fuel and suddenly backs. After the race it turns out Button had more fuel than Hamilton left in the tank and therefore enough for another attack.

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Both drivers told to save fuel, Hamilton even questions his engineer to check Jenson told same thing. Lewis takes the 4 apex turn 8? a little too slowly, Jenson sees the car in front going a lot slower than normal, so takes the chance to pass.

Lewis picks up the pace, retakes, then they settle into a rhythm.

JB had 1/2 a lap I think it was more fuel than Lewis at the end - not a significant amount.

In fact, the only juicy radio comment they could find to air to the public was Lewis asking about JB being told to save fuel also.

No conspiracy there.

If so minded the fia could request evidence backing up requests to save fuel. I doubt Ferrari have any evidence which explains yesterday's race fixing.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Both drivers told to save fuel, Hamilton even questions his engineer to check Jenson told same thing. Lewis takes the 4 apex turn 8? a little too slowly, Jenson sees the car in front going a lot slower than normal, so takes the chance to pass.

Lewis picks up the pace, retakes, then they settle into a rhythm.

JB had 1/2 a lap I think it was more fuel than Lewis at the end - not a significant amount.

In fact, the only juicy radio comment they could find to air to the public was Lewis asking about JB being told to save fuel also.

No conspiracy there.

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I'm willing to bet that you would view it differently if Ferrari or another team had told a driver to 'save fuel'....not that you'd admit such bias of course.