His performance in Italy last year was not so much impressive. Despite the car is not so bad there and still competitive (not only in hands of Andreucci).Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
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His performance in Italy last year was not so much impressive. Despite the car is not so bad there and still competitive (not only in hands of Andreucci).Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
No I ment that Andreucci is one of the only drivers who shows pace with T16, only other I know with a win with is Loeb, who would have guessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
And on gravel Kalle was up there but struggled alot with the car, like Ucci does in gravel but still he would have taken 2nd place in San Marino if his Peugeot would have lasted the final liason before the finish line.
Could we maybe wait and see how he does in Germany with Skoda until we talk more about his tarmac pace.
And back to Argentina it's pretty clear that it was recce mistake in Kalle's crash. Kalle and EP both have rather similiar notes and Kalle's note to that right hander is a step "faster" than EP's.
Pontus was actually leading the rally until stage 11 so yeah.
Yeah you are partly true, he gets paid from Skoda to drive there :D In M-Sport he would have needed to pay some himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
What have You expected? He was 16 years old with zero Italian experience. Only a fool would expect him to challenge Andreucci. Shall I remind that Kopecký also did a season in Italy and didn't achieve much more despite having way more experience in that time?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Where did i mention that? This and an implication that he is too overhyped (those so called nobodys, who beated him, build their own cars and go to work M-F 8-17 are still someone), hasn`t actually achieved anything in the international level yet, apart from getting into it, which yes, is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I would think that Kopecky could drive something like Sardinia, Germany, Spain, Turkey and maybe Australia. Kalle is most likely going to drive Finland, Spain, Wales and maybe Germany and ofc Australia is possible but unlikely since 2 bad starts point wise already. Then Veiby and Nordgren will drive whatever, Who knows if Suninen might do a WRC2 round, we have hungry Huttunen who wants to prove his pace. Maybe Citroen starts to work and challenge for the wins, the VW is coming and with who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
That dosen't leave too many rallies for Tidemand to cruise for easy wins so lets see, it's for sure going to be interesting.
Many thanks for theses kinds words ! Cheers ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
Here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
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Originally Posted by Tarmop
he is there because of his father. if it was only about the money they could hire lots of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
look, the easy part is getting where rovanpera is now. everyone with enough money and some talent can drive wrc2 and even do well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
now comes the part where he has to prove that he win wrc2 on every surface. not even just win, he has to dominate to get a factory seat in wrc.
most drivers only start their career when they are 18 or older, and have to find everything out them self. they are usually at least 5 to 10 years older and have driven 3 to 5 seasons locally before anyone here has ever heard of them.
so yes, there are probably some people that we have never heard off, but who can break through very quickly.
ogier did only one international season before switching to wrc, neuville did two.
kalle is only where he is now because of his father. if every young driver was given the same resources some would surely be faster.
but sadly, of course that will never be the case.
that's why one marque cups are the best way to find real talent, because you can really compare drivers and tell who's talented and who's there because of his rich father.
That doesn't change a thing on what I wrote. Any of those nameless superetalented guys must first prove themselves. The very simple fact that those nameless guys people keep talking about are still nameless means that they haven't proved anything. Rovanperä already achieved enough to get a place in a works team - even only for an R5 car. That's not a small achievement. His father helped him, yes, and so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Holy crap there is dumb people on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Kalle is with Skoda because they hired him after they have seen his potential, not because his name is Rovanperä or because "they have a lot of money".
Tell me a rally driver who has not spend any money to become a rally driver? Kalle started with Starlet - logical and cheap just like you should do it at the beginning.
Kalle has had a lot sponsors since Starlet days for example see the big IKH logo still on the side of the car and that's been there since day 1.
He then changed to R2, drove 3 seasons in Latvia, won with that = More interest + more sponsors + Jouhki.
What to do after success with a FWD? Correct! Go 4WD and that's what they did and also won with that. I don't see anything wrong with how Kalle got into scene, he worked his way up there just like every rally driver has to and will do at some point in their career.
Easy part is to get where he is? Get a factory drive in a WRC2! are you out of your mind? Why people praise Tidemand who is 27 also started under aged, who has driven many WRC2 seasons, won the championship and is backed by a multi millionaire Erik Veiby but he is still struggling to beat this 17yo kid who got into Skoda by just his deep pockets and a surname?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Tell me a rookie driver who has done aswell as Kalle has done in these 3 WRC rounds this year in which all 3 were completely new for him?
IMO Kalle is the biggest talent currently in rallying scene and if you don't agree and want to say something regarding this, please do so and add some names, thanks.
Sorry, you are out of reality...Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
If you really want to hear at least one name, so for example I think Juuso Nordgren has bigger potential... And I am not alone with this opinion ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Please go back to ERC section and stay there. I just keep ignoring your comments from now on, even N.O.T makes more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Cmon Denkimi...
It's okay to be bitter and angry... just don't weigh it in on others. Best to keep your feelings to yourself.
Anyone in the top of WRC has worked their asses off to be there. Some people (like Loeb) most likely have some natural talent that makes them excel at the sport, but he worked for it just like anyone else. Max Vatanen is Ari's son. He's not winning any titles or competing at the top is he? His father was a bad a$$ mutha fugga in rallying. I even know Ari personally. He himself has told me Kalle is a quick son of a gun.. literally. His father was quick too.
I would seriously think long and hard. If you're the type to see someone wealthy and then think to yourself "i bet he has a rich dad, or I bet he was lucky" then you might be outta luck buddy... or maybe you're just sh!t posting and well.. you're still out of luck.
With enough money and training/rallies everybody can get to a certain level. But those last 1 or 2 percentages are the most difficult to find.
For sure Rovanpera has talent, no doubt about it. But people are blinded by his age, which means nothing. It's experience that counts.
We have seen a lot of young guys in the past, storming trough cups, JWRC and even wrc2 but never got to a decent WRC level.
So, he has to prove in the next year(s) he has what it takes to get to WRC level.
I'm not saying he is not going to make it, but imo it's still too early to tell
you have any idea who pluto is and what he does you sick dog of nothing ????? or you just open your mouth randomly ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
I doubt Ari used those words. More likely something along the lines of "Kalle definitely hit the keynotes in the melody of rallying" :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
A man of humble words out of what I´ve seen of him. Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Wow, you nailed it! That is actually exactly what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
I repeat myself but I don’t think either that Kalle is ready for WRC next year. He should and could do at least two good years of WRC2 first and still be ahead of anyone else at his age
Who hobbyist was faster than Kalle and where?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
So you are forum king who decides who can post in which forum sections? Please get a grip man. And calling someone stupid just because he has a different point of view. Quite lame and you're not the first finn recently who has "lost their heads" in the arguement. You're not in a position to demand here anything, quite clearly are you mistaken about your role here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Spot on!Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
I’m personally a bit amazed that they hired Nordgren so quickly, to me he hasn’t really shown anything or been quick on even national level, whereas Kalle blew all the Finnish champions out of the water right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Well, the Sumava Klatovy result was good for his little tarmac experience.
For example:Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/2...hampions-2016/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/3...ti-ralli-2017/ +40 sec. for considerably shortening a stage.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/2...-kurzeme-2016/ A bit old and can`t exactly remember, if it was an issue-free rally or not.
Then there are other youngsters, a bit higher level than hobby-drivers, who have beaten him or been more or less equal.
Like said, from the age of seven he has had the best available equipment, even quit school for rallying. Logical, but yet to show if he is not just young and "stupid", not afraid of crashes and he can develop into a title contender. And people already want him to be replace Latvala in a team with a goal to get the manu. title.
To me it looks like Kalle was always fastest in his class. WRC, Proto and custom built cars can’t compare against R5 and S2000
Jesus Christ... he was fifteen at the time of two of those and would've won the third one without 40 sec time penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Now all we need are names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Talsi-ralli 2016 - Kalle lead the event before the final stage, but lost 16s there for a reason I can't remember. Plus Samsonas' strong BMW suits well for those roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Louna-Eesti ralli 2017 - Kalle finished 3rd, 15 seconds behind a WRC driver, + Kalle had 40s worth of time penalties.
Kurzeme 2016 - Kalle drove part of the rally with only front wheel drive.
He was 15 and 16 years old at the time.
You can get annoyed by the hype and you can look at some of the results critically, but to downtalk his current talent is something I won't buy. No matter that he is brought up to be a rallying professional one day, he still is one of the most potential drivers out there. Same with OC Veiby, he has the backing but he sure as ever has the talent as well.
For sure Kalle is not WRC-ready yet, but he's well on the path.
LOl @ people thinking Kalle is talentless. It sure is easy to be stupid and voice out your stupidness in 21-st century.
Also first rally with new co-driverQuote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
No, most people who want Kalle to replace Latvala have no idea how these things works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
For Kalle it's way better to stay in WRC2 for atleast the next season, he is no hurry to hop into a WRC car, that article about a possible change was written by Spanish media and if you know them they write that crap from every sport all the time.
Hartusvuori nicely explained these already, but if you seriously don't know what that Martynas BMW can do you better check out the videos like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn5Z2Kly5rU or this before the car breaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P3ALeoVpc0 there is absolutely no change to beat that with an R5 car and you really need to push with a WRC to match that.
This whole battle here started because people said that Kalle aint a talent but is like any driver who has a lot of money behind him, who hasn't proven anything or won anything bla bla bla.
If we keep talking about this subject more give us names, Juuso Nordgren could be one but what has he shown? Nothing yet.
And what comes to Pluto and his comment "Kalle is with Skoda because of his money" just makes no sense from a guy who is "respected" forum poster, I'm just surprised he mentioned Juuso before picking someone from ERC.
He got that penalty for considerably shortening a stage+ 10 for a false start, when reading the protocol.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
To me Monte Carlo 2018 has been best rally for Kalle. Maybe that was just pure luck... (no talent)
Rich daddy or not, Kalle has shown some promise. Time will tell if he will make it or break it. Meanwhile we can follow his progress/regress. Enjoy it!
a proper driver would run circles around that overpowered geometric atrocity with an r5... emphasis on proper....Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Of course if it it´s standing still on a place with lots of space around.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
However on fast roads/stages no circles around that monster.
Talsi and Kurzeme were Kalle’s first ever 4WD gravel rallies. And on an S2000, not R5, although it shouldn’t make a difference
S2000 are much slower than R5 on Latvian or Estonian roads because they spend plenty of time in RPM limiter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL