Mou: "The best team lost" classic ! :laugh:
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Mou: "The best team lost" classic ! :laugh:
Amazing: in Spain they say the sending off was dodgy, and on ITV they say they can understand how it was red :laugh:
And the blatant foul by Ramos on Evra in the box..........
all english teams out, on the 1/8 final only :laugh:
there were several dodgy decisions in both boxes..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Another match decided by a crappy referee :crazy:
Some more dodgy than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Credit to Man Utd for not giving up, but it was an impossible task with 10 men v 12
what goes round comes round :andrea: :p
It's just unbelievable that at this level a match can be decided in this manner by such a stupid referee.... At this point we are supposed to have the top 16 teams fighting for the trophy... So is this imbecile a top 8 referee of the freakin' continent?
Crazy decision, but these things happen in football. Although not normally in a match of this importance.
Madrid getting lucky as well. Not what I want to see
That call,IMO, was surreal to say the least.
I feel bad for the ManU fans. That pretty much sucked.
And on the other hand,
The good news is that I'm going to continue to have chances to root against Mou's team for at least two more games.
With 11 v 10 Real Madrids best player was still the goalkeeper. But the goal from Modric was sublime.
Either the Special One has developed a new line in humility or he is bucking for the Utd job after Ferguson retires - It won't endear him to the Real board saying that the 'best team lost'
UEFA insist on allocating second rate referees to important matches, at least it was no more bizarre than the succession of poor scandinavian refs allocated to Barcelona matches against English teams
He isn't going to be at Real longer than the end of this season, so he does not really care what he says. Mou will be in England soon enough for all the commentators to keep fawning over his arse again.
I am not sure why the bitching about that red card, it was dangerous from him and deserved a yellow card at the very least. I don't see anything wrong with giving him a red one. Not that there is not a problem with the refs, there is - about time for football to leave 19th century. Time for video replays.
A red card is shown for serious foul play or violent conduct, such as throwing a punch. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affe...g_en_55753.pdf
A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play. “Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afde...unduct_557.pdf
A yellow card is shown for 'unsporting behaviour' when a player commits a foul in a reckless manner. “Reckless” means that the player has made the move with complete disregard for danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.
I don't think Nani was using excessive force or brutality, he was simply trying to control a high ball, but showed disregard for his opponent. It should have been a yellow card for Nani.
Nani was very close to injuring the Real player, it could have been very nasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Again, reckless? Yes. Excessive force or brutality? Don't be silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Football is a contact sport. Injuries caused by collisions between players happen, but there is no need to dish out red cards willy-nilly and ruin what was shaping up to be a thrilling final 30 minutes.
Was he in danger of injuring his opponent? He very clearly was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Actually, to add some thoughts on football being a contact sport - one of the reasons why I want video replays in football is so that anyone caught faking or diving should at once be given a red-card and an automatic 3 game ban. This is just absurd seeing grown men act as if they are close to dying and then run around like nothing was wrong 10 seconds later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
So is the goalkeeper every time they reach to punch the ball in a crowded box. But do you seriously think Nani used 'excessive force' which is what warrants a red card according to the rules of the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
I absolutely agree. Because the refs are prone to human errors, as with the Nani incident, players are motivated to dive if they know they can trick the ref into giving a red card (not suggesting for a minute that Arbaloa dived). I know it's disgusting but can you blame the players for diving when there is currently no deterrent to stop them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Did you see how high his leg was and with what force it came? That was very dangerous, a clear red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
too funny.Quote:
I absolutely agree. Because the refs are prone to human errors, as with the Nani incident
You can get cards for diving, the problem is that it is difficult for refs to police it, they have to have a very good view of it. Video replays would fix that at once.Quote:
I know it's disgusting but can you blame the players for diving when there is currently no deterrent to stop them?
In that incident yesterday the Ref was following guidance given by the Ref association. That regardless of intent a reckless high foot is a Red Card.
Now I am not sure that I 100% agree that should be the case. However the Ref did his job, so there is no reason to moan at him.
As for diving I agree with you that divers should be dealt with after the game via video technology. I also think Nani has himself to blame in many ways. He stayed on the ground faining injury for about 3 minutes even though Arbeloa was hurt more. That time on the ground would have made the Referee think about the decision and assume he was acting to avoid the card.
As has been linked, FIFA's interpretation document sets out how Law 12 is to be interpreted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Studs up, into the chest of an opponent. Careless? Certainly. Reckless? Maybe. Using excessive force? Well, going in with the studs of your boots aimed directly at the chest of an opponent doesn't help your cause.
I've seen players been given red cards for less than this in the past.
Roy Keane agrees with you:Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
Heated studio discussion: ITV pundit Roy Keane says Nani deserved his red card against Real Madrid | UEFA Champions League - ITV Sport
"It doesn't matter if he knows there's somebody there or not, it's irrelevant. I don't think the referee actually made the decision because he waited a couple of minutes while the player was getting treatment.
I think it might have been the assistant that made the decision, and I actually think he's made the right call.
We always say referees are very quick to make decisions - he waited a couple of minutes."
- Roy Keane, on ITV.
I personally think that the referee responded correctly. The only people who are kicking up a stink are Man United fans which is understandable because no-one likes to be on the end of a decision like this... even if the referee is right.
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Originally Posted by Rollo
I am not a Man U fan per say, but I am english and thus support any english club in the champions league. I heard some Man U fans on the radio moaning.
I dont have any bitterness against anyone, unlike I find most football fans so hopefully have a common sens view to these issues.
While I am not 100% sure it should have been a red card, I understand why it was and think the Ref was doing his job.
Stop pushing Garry guys. He'll soon claim Nani should have been shot on the spot and the bill for the bullet sent to the family
It's was obviously a red card... that's why no one expected it. :rolleyes: .
Roy Keane's opinion is gold to me. I know it for a fact he's not a bitter ex-employee of Man Utd.
Juve 5 Celtic 0 :D
Tonight is the big night: Steaua vs. Chelsea
Or Mission Impossible starring Chiriches, Latovlevici and Rusescu. :laugh:
Who, who and who? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Who vs. Chelsea? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Shut up Trolly because I'm already a package of nerves.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroTroll
If you don't know about Steaua you're not entitled to talk about this sport. :vampire:
I do actually know about Steaua. ;) :cheese:Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
min 33 goool Rusescu.... !!!!
who? :p
shut up ! I'm(still) happy !!
Steaua-Chelsea 1-0 !!!!Time for drinks now....
Chelsea who? :p
we were the best team by far...
sunt fericit si ma simt bine..
Happy for Gadji :)
Shut up you lot, the main event has just kicked off :p