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22nd January 2012, 19:47
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by Barreis

Seems that they don't need Meeke on tarmac 'cos Campana did good job in MC.

Meeke would be much faster...but for a shorter period most likely...
22nd January 2012, 19:49
Fly_Half

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barreis

Seems that they don't need Meeke on tarmac 'cos Campana did good job in MC.

I hope that comment is laced with sarcasm.
22nd January 2012, 21:32
RS

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Originally Posted by jacko

Sometimes i don't understand sponsors; Go Fast is steppin' in with Wilson & H.Solberg on privat Ford fiesta's, two drivers who simply are not the best out there and with less testing they would not play any role (again) this year, they never will all agree i think.

Go Fast could have become the main sponsor for the factory MINI team with two very good drivers, top class!
The promotion they would returned as a (major) sponsor was much much more than the situation at Ford.
Missed opportunity (for both).

I agree with what you are saying but it has often been the case in the past that sponsors support slower drivers in all forms of motorsport. I think it depends more who you make friends with.

Most likely Malcolm met with the Go Fast bosses at some point last year and offered them a chance to have their own two car team bearing the "Go Fast World Rally Team" name and gave them a hefty discount for running his son in one of the cars.

If they had looked at it from the outside, wanting to come into WRC, it's extremely unlikely they would have selected Henning and Wilson on performance terms.
22nd January 2012, 21:46
Juha_Koo

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

and gave them a hefty discount for running his son in one of the cars.

Has it ever been properly shown that Malcolm supports Matthew financially? Always the talking about daddymoney but I've never seen anything concrete.
22nd January 2012, 21:49
mousti

They won't show u that.. And if u don't believe that, u really think for 7 years that several brands would put money in a never improving rallydriver when there are ten - twenty - thirty very hungry young guys who want to go flat out each km with any car they could get to show they got potential ?
22nd January 2012, 21:52
rallyfiend

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

I agree with what you are saying but it has often been the case in the past that sponsors support slower drivers in all forms of motorsport. I think it depends more who you make friends with.

Most likely Malcolm met with the Go Fast bosses at some point last year and offered them a chance to have their own two car team bearing the "Go Fast World Rally Team" name and gave them a hefty discount for running his son in one of the cars.

If they had looked at it from the outside, wanting to come into WRC, it's extremely unlikely they would have selected Henning and Wilson on performance terms.

Sponsoring a Henning and a Matthew would be to a vast percentage cheaper than funding a full works outfit like Min.

Yes, the results may be better, but you need to have the cash to start with.

And yes, you may say that Mini would be better off taking something rather than nothing - but as soon as you do, you set the value and you then price yourself out of the market from a full freight deal.
23rd January 2012, 06:08
Juha_Koo

Quote:

Originally Posted by mousti

They won't show u that.. And if u don't believe that, u really think for 7 years that several brands would put money in a never improving rallydriver when there are ten - twenty - thirty very hungry young guys who want to go flat out each km with any car they could get to show they got potential ?

So there isn't anything concrete...

It's actually not what I believe or I want to believe, it's what sponsors believe (or are made to believe). For a notable amount of time (and now that Meeke is away, he's again), Wilson was the "fastest" British driver in WRC. Sponsors who are just looking for nice sponsoring targets may not know how things really are as there's no hardcore rally fans in the cabinets - all they have are these eulogistic introduction leaflets etc. promoting the guy as a top athlete improving all the time, one day being so good that he wins the world championship. Also the non-rally enthusiastic general public seems to have (or had) some faith in Matthew if we believe Youtube comments etc.
23rd January 2012, 07:05
Brother John

Back on topick please. this is the Prodrive Mini Thread.
23rd January 2012, 14:53
Juha_Koo

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Originally Posted by Brother John

Back on topick please. this is the Prodrive Mini Thread.

Honestly speaking I don't like this new (or your?) moderating style. Interesting discussions end before they start because of too precise classifying to certain matters. There's also been very confusing situations when in some threads something has been totally relevant but for some reason someone has seen it irrelevant and it has been deleted or transferred. If there happens to be a break from the forum then, it gets really confusing.
23rd January 2012, 16:01
MikeD

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

I agree with what you are saying but it has often been the case in the past that sponsors support slower drivers in all forms of motorsport. I think it depends more who you make friends with.

Most likely Malcolm met with the Go Fast bosses at some point last year and offered them a chance to have their own two car team bearing the "Go Fast World Rally Team" name and gave them a hefty discount for running his son in one of the cars.

If they had looked at it from the outside, wanting to come into WRC, it's extremely unlikely they would have selected Henning and Wilson on performance terms.

I agree. The whole idea of 'Go Fast' should have gone with MINI is only relevant if the price of sponsoring those two teams were the same ... and they are not. Sponsoring an M2/MT team is of course cheaper and I also bet that Go Fast have paid full price for HSolberg whereas it has been a symbolic low amount for Slowson.

By the way, the sponsorship was so far only for Monte - not for the full season and after the really poor results in MC I doubt they will continue.
23rd January 2012, 16:15
dimviii

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Originally Posted by MikeD

By the way, the sponsorship was so far only for Monte - not for the full season and after the really poor results in MC I doubt they will continue.

really Mike?Only for Monte?
23rd January 2012, 19:02
RS

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

So there isn't anything concrete...

It's actually not what I believe or I want to believe, it's what sponsors believe (or are made to believe). For a notable amount of time (and now that Meeke is away, he's again), Wilson was the "fastest" British driver in WRC. Sponsors who are just looking for nice sponsoring targets may not know how things really are as there's no hardcore rally fans in the cabinets - all they have are these eulogistic introduction leaflets etc. promoting the guy as a top athlete improving all the time, one day being so good that he wins the world championship. Also the non-rally enthusiastic general public seems to have (or had) some faith in Matthew if we believe Youtube comments etc.

If there are guys in companies controlling several hundred thousand euros marketing budget and they don't do some serious research before signing these deals then they don't deserve their jobs.
23rd January 2012, 19:07
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by RS

If there are guys in companies controlling several hundred thousand euros marketing budget and they don't do some serious research before signing these deals then they don't deserve their jobs.

This has always been my thought. Now, though, the events of recent years have demonstrated that common sense is often sadly lacking in the corporate world.
23rd January 2012, 19:11
gravelman

Has anyone checked out their website?? No way are go fast energy in the same league as red bull or monster in terms of promotion or budget by the looks of their website and the athletes they support. Money is money, but prodrive and mini require more than what these guys probably have to offer. Check out the site and draw your own conclusions.
23rd January 2012, 19:13
MikeD

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

really Mike?Only for Monte?

According to Colin on WRR and M.Wilson, then yes.
23rd January 2012, 19:47
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeD

According to Colin on WRR and M.Wilson, then yes.

Thanks Mike, didn t hear that.
So Wilsons and Solbergs cars will be at Sweden with what colors?
23rd January 2012, 19:48
MikeD

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Thanks Mike, didn t hear that.
So Wilsons and Solbergs cars will be at Sweden with what colors?

Don't know - Are they even entered for Sweden?
23rd January 2012, 19:53
dimviii

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Originally Posted by MikeD

Don't know - Are they even entered for Sweden?

Yes both
Entries « Rally Sweden
23rd January 2012, 20:00
MikeD

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Yes both
Entries « Rally Sweden

Then it will be interesting to see how Go Fast will evaluate their effect of the MC sponsorship? Lot of talk about the brand, but very poor results in the rally itself.
23rd January 2012, 20:04
tfp

Quote:

Originally Posted by gravelman

Has anyone checked out their website?? No way are go fast energy in the same league as red bull or monster in terms of promotion or budget by the looks of their website and the athletes they support. Money is money, but prodrive and mini require more than what these guys probably have to offer. Check out the site and draw your own conclusions.

You arent kidding about the website, I think the cleaner designed this site ;)
23rd January 2012, 21:28
Plan9

+1 looks like a site for budget cola. I don't think an exclusive brand like MINI would want to have an association with something like this. Monster/Red Bull is a different story.

It is a noticeable trend that in motorsport sometimes the humblest of talents can access the hugest amounts of money.
24th January 2012, 07:44
Brother John

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

Honestly speaking I don't like this new (or your?) moderating style. Interesting discussions end before they start because of too precise classifying to certain matters. There's also been very confusing situations when in some threads something has been totally relevant but for some reason someone has seen it irrelevant and it has been deleted or transferred. If there happens to be a break from the forum then, it gets really confusing.

Is not allowed to say that the discussion is off topick? I have no problem that some people have a totally different opinion about my work here.
Instead of negative response you can also come up with positive comments and ideas. You can also not respond to a post, Is that not what everyone does on a forum?
Let's keep it friendly here on the forum and have fun.
24th January 2012, 08:53
J.Lindstroem

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Originally Posted by Brother John

Is not allowed to say that the discussion is off topick? I have no problem that some people have a totally different opinion about my work here.
Instead of negative response you can also come up with positive comments and ideas. You can also not respond to a post, Is that not what everyone does on a forum?
Let's keep it friendly here on the forum and have fun.

I know that its a completly new task for you, so arn't you interested in some constructive critisism from the members? I agree with Juha_Koo that you need to be objective as a moderator, you can't just let your own priorities, interests and values shine trough your work.

Cheers and have a great day!
24th January 2012, 10:01
Brother John

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Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem

I know that its a completly new task for you, so arn't you interested in some constructive critisism from the members? I agree with Juha_Koo that you need to be objective as a moderator, you can't just let your own priorities, interests and values shine trough your work.

Cheers and have a great day!

I will reply to this message in the thread, Rally discussions, comments and pub talk. ;)
24th January 2012, 20:54
Juha_Koo

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Originally Posted by Brother John

I will reply to this message in the thread, Rally discussions, comments and pub talk. ;)

I will join that discussion and bring out my views later this week as soon as I get some free time, really busy right now with studying and I'm also moving... I can shortly comment that I didn't want to sound rude - I admit that the message could have been more constructive but I was in a hurry. Due to the high number of likes, it seems that I had a valid point atleast to a some extent.
25th January 2012, 00:56
Plan9

lets get back to MINI news and rumors???
26th January 2012, 16:59
Red bull

MaxRally | News | Mini in funding hope after Monte podium
26th January 2012, 17:59
Red bull

Mini WRC team principal Dave Wilcock on his team's Monte Carlo near-miss - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
26th January 2012, 18:35
Andre Oliveira

Martin Holmes' suspicions that BMW intends to sever all links with Prodrive "
26th January 2012, 19:52
RS

I didn't realise that Mini had only 7 events confirmed for now, I thought Sordo was in for the whole season.
26th January 2012, 21:05
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira

Martin Holmes' suspicions that BMW intends to sever all links with Prodrive "

who is Martin Holmes ??
26th January 2012, 21:14
MikeD

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

I didn't realise that Mini had only 7 events confirmed for now, I thought Sordo was in for the whole season.

Sodo is confirmed for the whole season except New Zealand, but so far MINI only is confimed with 2 cars for 7 events.
26th January 2012, 21:15
MikeD

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

who is Martin Holmes ??

WRC journalist at GPWeek (i think)
26th January 2012, 21:20
Plan9

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

I didn't realise that Mini had only 7 events confirmed for now, I thought Sordo was in for the whole season.

They hadn't wanted to make a big deal about it (for obvious reasons). Sordo definitely won't be in NZ. Maybe one of the privateers will be here. As I understand it will all be very piecemeal this season for the official car although as you can see with Sweden the 52 car will carry independent sponsorship. I think they have to do a full 2013 and what's more both Kris and Prodrive admit they have a contract for that season also.
26th January 2012, 21:22
Steve Boyd

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeD

WRC journalist at GPWeek (i think)

With about 40 years WRC reporting experience & has competed at that level as a co-driver alongside a number of notable names, see:
RallyBase
26th January 2012, 21:31
N.O.T

LOL...

Who is martin Holmes again and why we care what he thinks ??
26th January 2012, 21:43
cali

Cos he has some inside information? Cos he has more experience in rallying than you have (most of them useless) posts here ;) Just a thought ...
26th January 2012, 21:49
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali

Cos he has some inside information? Cos he has more experience in rallying than you have (most of them useless) posts here ;) Just a thought ...

LOL.... wrong thought....

Why bother with such people ?

Martin Holmes...

LOL
26th January 2012, 21:55
cali

OK, then i don't bother. Thanks doc!
26th January 2012, 22:13
Josti

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

LOL.... wrong thought....

Why bother with such people ?

Martin Holmes...

LOL

http://youtu.be/wRom-BYrAGI?t=2m13s

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