Mobile phones & tablets thread

You guys really can talk a lot about the same topic. Just going in circles again and again and again.
Let's put it simple. I rarely, very rarely, saw anyone on this board change their mind about anything, so I think you lot are losing your time.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

Are Apple products easier to set up and use for the majority of the people? Yes. Are they stylish? Maybe.

Do they deserve the extra money? NO.

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There is a very large chunk of the market that doesn't agree with the statement about the extra money. And the market speaks volumes about the reality of the business world.

I switched jobs recently, and they provided me with a laptop. I would have gladly paid the price difference for an iPad, and may just purchase one out of pocket for work. I know quite a few people doing the same, and we all have good and capable phones. Can I type as fast on an iPad as I can on a laptop or desktop PC? No... certainly not. But for the average work related email or anything I'd consider doing on a laptop 99% of the time I could have it done quicker on the iPad. Push a button and go to the task at hand. No boot time, no recharges mid day, and much more portable.

Everyone has options, and if you like a laptop stick with a laptop. I'm sure it won't bother anyone here, and it certainly won't bother anyone at Apple.

Each device has different uses:

Smartphone: Out and about
Tablet: Sat on the sofa
Laptop: Sat at the kitchen table
Desktop: At work

Indeed not even Apple will try and tell you an iPad is good for everything, they want you to buy an iPhone, MacBook Pro and iMac too ;)

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Originally Posted by henners88

I can't quote captainraiden but I can't believe we are STILL discussing the benefits of a laptop over a tablet!! Don't waste your time worrying about the differences and why they are justified. Life is far too short and who do you need to convince? You know what you want and that's all you need to worry about. Comparing the two types of devices on here is just a complete waste of line space because different devices appeal to different people, end of. I have both and use both for different applications. I certainly wouldn't use our iPad for typing up word documents, what's the point? LOL.

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You can buy a bluetooth keyboard - full-size or miniature - for any table which supports USB, and get the best of both worlds. I have to say I played with an iPad the other day and was massively underwhelmed. I understand now why they say "sequence shortened" in the adverts: it's certainly not the slick UI I'd been expecting. My 18 month old phone was more responsive. Plus I still believe that once you get to that screen size it's inexcusable not to have a 16:9 widescreen ratio, otherwise about a third of the screen is wasted when viewing media content unless you zoom or distort the picture.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm surprised your experience of the iPad consisted of it being slow or unresponsive compared to an older phone, not sure why that would be?

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Not slow, just not quite as responsive as I'd been lead to believe it would be. It's still a damn impressive bit of kit, but it didn't wow me in the way I'd expected.

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I've watched quite a few films on it so far with no issues concerning HD quality or screen size affecting my viewing, but again I can't see the positives for Sky having better sound than the BBC on another topic.. :p

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:p indeed! When you watch widescreen media (ie almost everything produced in the last 6 years, and pretty much every film ever) on an iPad or similar you've got 3 choices: (a) put up with letterboxing, the black lines at the top and bottom which effectively waste nearly a third of the screen's capability; (b) crop the sides of the picture and lose about a quarter of the view; or (c) distort the ratio of the picture. None of these solutions is ideal, and to me personally it seems strange for Apple to produce a 4:3 device but make such a big deal about its media capabilities.

Daniel is watching :wave:

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Originally Posted by Mark

Daniel is watching :wave:

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But not posting because he finds borlocks infuriating :p

Borlocks here only not in F1 or WRC :p :

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

...people wanna do things on their phones which they do on their computer. ...

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They do? :cornfused:

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Originally Posted by Mark

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Smartphone: Out and about
Tablet: Sat on the sofa
Laptop: Sat at the kitchen table
Desktop: At work

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Ditto.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But not posting

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That's where you're wrong :D

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Originally Posted by schmenke

They do? :cornfused:

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Yes, I often do worky type things, including maintaining this forum on my phone, which it isn't best suited for tbh

In the last 3 months I have only used my iPhone to post, edit and moderate this forum. So far it's been an easy job even with such a small screen :p : The only thing that irritates me is that I can't use quotes with Tapatalk :mad:

Other than e-mail, I can't think of a single worky type task that I can reasonably accomplish via a phone or tablet. Even using a laptop is less than ideal.
In the office my company laptop is docked with a full keyboard, mouse and two monitors :mark: .

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Originally Posted by pino

In the last 3 months I have only used my iPhone to post, edit and moderate this forum. So far it's been an easy job even with such a small screen :p : The only thing that irritates me is that I can't use quotes with Tapatalk :mad:

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Hola Pino.
Yes you can.
double click on the quote you want to quote and three options will appear:
Quote - Share - More.

Give it a try.
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Don't double click - just once and voilá,
Commenting on a quote has been achieved via Tapatalk.


Sent from my iPhone

ejem . . . that didn't work . . . . :dozey:

it does give the option though . . . .

What henners said race amigo :)

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What henners said race amigo :)

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Looks like we can quote with the ForumRunner app.

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Looks like we can quote with the ForumRunner app.

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I know that but I still prefere Tapatalk :crazy: ;)

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

Again, I'm not saying Apple is completely useless or that their products are bad. Why Apple products are so grossly expensive is my gripe. Saying that the Galaxy S2 was a better phone than an iPhone was my opinion. Doesn't necessarily mean that it would be a better phone for everybody.

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That, quite simply, is a function of the free market. Products (with an elastic demand) are sold for the highest possible price, until demand is affected. The purpose of a publicly traded corporation is to enhance shareholder value - and that's it. So if Samsung could sell their phones and other devices for more than they currently are, they'd do that. If they didn't, then they wouldn't be serving their shareholders, as they should. Their current price points reflect demand, not some desire to give consumers a break. Corporations are not that altruistic.

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Ferrari might not be 3X the car Corvette is, but will it beat the Corvette in a drag race or run circles around it on a track? You betcha, and by a big margin too. So, you are getting "SOME" thing for that big premium that you pay.

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Depending on which test you look at, the Ferrari 458 is marginally faster than the Corvette Z06 in the quarter mile (4-5 tenths in most tests) and about 4 mph faster in top speed. I haven't seen tests where both cars have run on the same road course, so I don't know which is faster there, but yes, I would assume the 458 is faster. But if one wants a true road burner for MUCH less money than the Ferrari 458 (has a higher top speed than the 458, is faster 0-60 and equals or bests it in stopping distance 60-0), he can buy a Corvette ZR1 for half the price of the Ferrari, still buy a Z06... and buy a very nice family car and still have enough left over for a nice dinner at Ruth's Chris steak house. So, here again, I don't find it so difficult to find cars that can easily equal or better the Ferrari 458 in performance... but they don't have that Ferrari badge (or price premium). You're paying for that prancing horse badge. It's a great car, but that badge carries a hefty premium once relative, objective performance parameters are considered. And if I was in the market and had a choice, I would take the Ferrari. Why? That badge, man. We all want that badge in our driveway.

But most high performance cars never see a race track or drag strip. People tend to buy them as fashion statements. And from my experience, that's especially true of Ferraris. At an autocross event several years ago, I saw a guy in a modified pickup truck beat the smiles off a host of Porsche, Ferrari and Corvette owners who were no where near his skill level - the car will get you to the track, but you still have to be able to drive it. And the very same holds true of computers, tablets and phones. Far too often in these threads, I see people posting as if the average user needs a super computer in his pocket, when I know that's not close to being true. Quality aside, most of the higher end phones and OS's are within a whisper of one another. Even the best one doesn't allow you to send texts or talk faster than another phone. People just "bench race" the stats, one to another.

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Galaxy S2 beat iPhone 4S on all benchmark tests done by any respectable phone reviewing website, and Android was voted better than iOS and Windows Phone 7. The Galaxy S2 is also around $150 cheaper than the iPhone 4S. What am I getting in the iPhone for that extra $150? The bitten Apple sticker? I can buy that for $0.20. :D

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And I can buy a Ferrari badge (made somewhere in southeast Asia) on Ebay for about $3. :D

But then again, I'm not arguing that the Samsung phones or Android, as an OS, aren't good choices for many people. If they weren't, then I assume that people wouldn't be buying them. I'm a great believer in the free market. Demand, not bench racing scores, determine the success or failure of most consumer products. I might go to a smartphone later this year. But currently I use an ancient (10 year old) Motorola flip phone. It does what I need it to do: make calls. But if I go to a smartphone, I'll likely have to exclude any Android offerings because I'm not convinced of the security on the platform. When it comes to tablets, two of the companies that I do work for do not allow Android devices on their networks - so buying an Android tablet would be a waste for me. The security concerns are enough to discourage me. But as most people probably use their smartphones and tablets to mainly post to Facebook and Twitter, watch YouTube vids, send text messages, check the weather or traffic or play Angry Birds, that might not be as much of a concern. If it works for them, then I think that's great. It's not my job to convince them otherwise, because of any personal biases that I might have.

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Are Apple products easier to set up and use for the majority of the people? Yes. Are they stylish? Maybe.

Do they deserve the extra money? NO.

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What I've found in life is that people tend to get what they deserve - for better or worse. In my opinion, Apple deserves whatever it can get, as does Ferrari, Gucci, Rolex or whomever. ;)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But not posting because he finds borlocks infuriating :p

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Daniel! I've missed ya, buddy. :wave:

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

But if I go to a smartphone, I'll likely have to exclude any Android offerings because I'm not convinced of the security on the platform. When it comes to tablets, two of the companies that I do work for do not allow Android devices on their networks - so buying an Android tablet would be a waste for me. The security concerns are enough to discourage me.

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What security concerns are these? I'm genuinely curious.

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Originally Posted by pino

I know that but I still prefere Tapatalk :crazy: ;)

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Quote works fine.

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What security concerns are these? I'm genuinely curious.

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There's a lot of FUD but you should apply the same sensible precautions as you do with any other OS: don't download from dodgy sites, don't click links you don't trust, and check what permissions you give apps. There are a few bits of malware for Android, and some of them made it onto the official store whereas Apple are a tad more anal about checking these things; but don't automatically assume other OSs are automatically immune, that's the kind of herd thinking which leads to monumentally stupid statements like "Macs don't get infected" or "you don't need antivirus with Firefox".

Mark, quotes doesn't work with me :(

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

That, quite simply, is a function of the free market. Products (with an elastic demand) are sold for the highest possible price, until demand is affected. The purpose of a publicly traded corporation is to enhance shareholder value - and that's it. So if Samsung could sell their phones and other devices for more than they currently are, they'd do that. If they didn't, then they wouldn't be serving their shareholders, as they should. Their current price points reflect demand, not some desire to give consumers a break. Corporations are not that altruistic.

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So, what Apple essentially is, is a fancy premium brand for people who don't really care what's inside their computer as long as it works.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Depending on which test you look at, the Ferrari 458 is marginally faster than the Corvette Z06 in the quarter mile (4-5 tenths in most tests) and about 4 mph faster in top speed. I haven't seen tests where both cars have run on the same road course, so I don't know which is faster there, but yes, I would assume the 458 is faster. But if one wants a true road burner for MUCH less money than the Ferrari 458 (has a higher top speed than the 458, is faster 0-60 and equals or bests it in stopping distance 60-0), he can buy a Corvette ZR1 for half the price of the Ferrari, still buy a Z06... and buy a very nice family car and still have enough left over for a nice dinner at Ruth's Chris steak house. So, here again, I don't find it so difficult to find cars that can easily equal or better the Ferrari 458 in performance... but they don't have that Ferrari badge (or price premium). You're paying for that prancing horse badge. It's a great car, but that badge carries a hefty premium once relative, objective performance parameters are considered. And if I was in the market and had a choice, I would take the Ferrari. Why? That badge, man. We all want that badge in our driveway.

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To be honest, I don't really care about the badge or simply can't afford to :p and I'm sure I'm in the minority here. You can get all your adrenaline fix and break your neck with the much cheaper Nissan GTR. But then again, just like Apple, people (millionaires to be precise) will buy a Ferrari, because people don't wanna lose face in society, which is pretty much expected behavior I guess.

As far as the Corvette vs Ferrari comparison, aren't most of the Corvettes made out of plastic? It was only recently with the ZR1 that they went the aluminum-carbon fiber route. At least with Ferrari, you don't have to worry about that as they've long been made entirely out of carbon fiber. So, when you buy a Ferrari, you get the marquee name (I don't see Corvette or Chevrolet being a big name in racing, and so what Ferrari is essentially charging you for is to fund their F1 program :p ), + you get "slightly" better performance + the assurance that you'll probably be alive in case of an accident.

So, there are pluses.

The only plus point in Apple's favor is convenience, which I find ridiculous, but it's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

But then again, I'm not arguing that the Samsung phones or Android, as an OS, aren't good choices for many people. If they weren't, then I assume that people wouldn't be buying them. I'm a great believer in the free market. Demand, not bench racing scores, determine the success or failure of most consumer products. I might go to a smartphone later this year. But currently I use an ancient (10 year old) Motorola flip phone. It does what I need it to do: make calls. But if I go to a smartphone, I'll likely have to exclude any Android offerings because I'm not convinced of the security on the platform. When it comes to tablets, two of the companies that I do work for do not allow Android devices on their networks - so buying an Android tablet would be a waste for me. The security concerns are enough to discourage me. But as most people probably use their smartphones and tablets to mainly post to Facebook and Twitter, watch YouTube vids, send text messages, check the weather or traffic or play Angry Birds, that might not be as much of a concern. If it works for them, then I think that's great. It's not my job to convince them otherwise, because of any personal biases that I might have.

What I've found in life is that people tend to get what they deserve - for better or worse. In my opinion, Apple deserves whatever it can get, as does Ferrari, Gucci, Rolex or whomever. ;)

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So, you have actually not gotten around to using smartphones yet. Do me a favor and use Galaxy S2 and iPhone 4S with an unbiased view, and tell me why Apple deserves the extra $150.

No doubt, Apple products are considered trouble-free by some. But hey, you go clicking on naughtykitty.biz or on an ad that says "You've won the lottery", I don't care if it's OS X Pantelionepard, your computer WILL get infected.

I saw a Macbook Air on sale a couple of days ago:
Older generation (Nehalem architecture) - 2.3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 processor
4GB DDR3 RAM; 500 GB Hard Drive
15.4 inch LED-backlit display, 1440-by-900 resolution
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 512MB Graphics
Mac OS X v10.7 Lion, 7 Hour Battery Life
Price: $1794


I also saw a Dell XPS at the same shop:
Newer Generation (Sandy Bridge Architecture) Intel Core i7 2640M Processor 2.8GHz
6GB DIMM RAM; 750GB 7200RPM Hard Drive
15.6-Inch Screen, 1400X900 resolution
NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M - 1 GB Graphics
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Price: $959.99


Please tell me why, for inferior hardware, the Macbook deserves the extra $800. Thanks. :)

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Originally Posted by henners88

At risk of sounding like a broken record, its not just about the hardware with Apple products but the opperating system which is a joy to use in comparison to windows. I don't hack, I don't programme so having this freedom doesn't appeal to me personally, for those who do, then great. Apple computers look nicer than Dell computers and to some people that is part of the appeal. My Casio watch does exactly the same thing, if not more than my expensive Tag Heuer but I know which one gets more comments. It might sound vain but I'm not particularly bothered about that. I have a Dell laptop (with a hard drive failure after 6 months I might add) but if I had the spare cash I'd buy a MacBook Pro. You don't sound like you really need to be convinced CaptainRaiden to be honest, so why not just stick to what you like and be safe in your own mind you are getting the better deal? ;)

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$800 extra "spare cash" for operating system (which by the way has much, much lesser applications than Windows) and looks?? :eek:

I really don't understand how people have hard drive failures when mine's been running fine for 3 years. Just throw it out of the balcony lesser. :p

You didn't just use Casio vs Tag Heuer analogy to explain the difference between PC and Mac! Oh my....

I'm not here to be convinced about anything. I am already convinced Apple products are a load of trash.

What I'm trying to understand, in a discussion forum, is how Apple charging $200, $400 or $800 extra for inferior hardware can be justified.

So far, nobody is really able to explain it with an answer that makes at least a little bit of sense.

Dear Captain, dunno in your country but where I live at the moment (Danmark) 8 people out of 10 have an iPhone...there must be a reason don't you think? Also I am not an expert and my English is too poor to get involved in this discussion so I am just going to tell the main reason why I have bought an iPhone : the great amazing and unique quality audio. Music for me it's so important that I always chose the best no matter the price. I have tested all the mobile available and none could match the iPhone. Also the biggest mobile websites in their test have iPhone on top so it was an easy choice for me. I have owned my iPhone 4S for 5 months now, it work perfectly in everything and have suggested it to other people. Many went for it and are now very satisfied about their choice. So I really don't get all your critics but life is beautiful just because each one has a different opinion...

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Dell laptops all have hard drive failures - the Dell repair dude has his own desk here (no joke!), the hard drive has failed on every single laptop we have here.

In almost every laptop it's relatively easy for the end user to replace parts, be it for failures or upgrades. The exception is Apple who insist on making their products virtually impossible to work on. You can't even replace the battery in an iPhone, for goodness sake!

I'm not sure what's causing the Dell HDD failures (I'm typing this on a three year old Dell laptop which works perfectly well) but at least it's a 2 minute job to change the drive if and when it goes. Try that on a Macbook!

iFixit Tears Down The MacBook Pro With Retina Display, Deems It Nearly Impossible To Repair | TechCrunch

I upgraded the RAM in this machine for about £15 and five minutes of my time - again you can't do that on most Apple kit and they charge crazy money for memory upgrades in their products. I can't agree with some that it's "inferior hardware": it's not, in most cases their computers use the same components as bog-standard Windows PC but in a nicer box. And yes the OS is slick if a little "Fisher Price", but certainly not worth the crazy mark-ups Apple charge.

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Dear Captain, dunno in your country but where I live at the moment (Danmark) 8 people out of 10 have an iPhone...there must be a reason don't you think?

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One of my colleague's kid is studying in the UK right now and working part time on a 800 pounds a month salary. He recently bought an iPhone 4s on a 35 pound monthly contract from 3 UK. When asked why he bought it, he said because almost all of his classmates have one. Up until a month ago, he didn't know he could record HD videos on his iPhone.

Another friend of mine (she currently has a Nokia Lumia 800 because her kid broke her iPhone 4) wanted to buy a digital camera to take pictures at her kid's baptism ceremony. She thinks of me as some techy guy, and so asked me to suggest some digital cameras. I told her she doesn't really need to buy one as her phone has an 8 megapixel camera. To which she replied, "It does??!?"

Another guy I know, has an iMac, Macbook Air, iPad 2, iPhone 4S and the new iPad. Does he work? No. He's the son of a filthy rich evangelist. Does he know what's inside of his gadgets or that there are better alternatives? No. He doesn't need to, because daddy pays for everything.

The point is that the majority of iPhone lovers that I know either bought the iPhone because it was the coolest thing at the time or pretty much caved into the sheep herd mentality. They don't know, care or bother about what's inside their phone as long as it works and lets them show off and do the basic stuff. They're happy paying the premium.

Unfortunately, I'm not a filthy rich guy, and so I have to carefully ponder upon what I purchase. And IMO Apple are getting away with murder by selling overpriced, under performing products, and what's strange is people are happy paying for it.

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Also I am not an expert and my English is too poor to get involved in this discussion so I am just going to tell the main reason why I have bought an iPhone : the great amazing and unique quality audio. Music for me it's so important that I always chose the best no matter the price. I have tested all the mobile available and none could match the iPhone.

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$600 is a lot of money for an MP3 player. :p From my discussions with Audiophiles, they considered the good old Galaxy S to have the best sound hardware and quality in a smartphone to date (I believe Galaxy S3 has now beaten that), something to do with the chipset. The sound quality on my S2 is not the greatest, I'll admit that, but I didn't buy it for music anyway.

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Also the biggest mobile websites in their test have iPhone on top so it was an easy choice for me. I have owned my iPhone 4S for 5 months now, it work perfectly in everything and have suggested it to other people. Many went for it and are now very satisfied about their choice.

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Galaxy S2 was given the phone of the year tag by majority of the phone review websites, with iPhone 4S a close second.

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Originally Posted by pino

So I really don't get all your critics but life is beautiful just because each one has a different opinion...

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My gripe, as with all Apple products, is the ridiculous premium price. The Galaxy S2 is $150 cheaper with better hardware. PCs are on average $400 to $800 cheaper with better hardware. Windows 7 is a much better OS than Mac OS X. So, why do people pay extra?

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Originally Posted by Mark

Dell laptops all have hard drive failures - the Dell repair dude has his own desk here (no joke!), the hard drive has failed on every single laptop we have here.

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I must live in a parallel universe, because in the six combined years of my old Dell and my new Dell Inspiron, not ONCE have I had a hard drive failure. Maybe a format and an OS reinstall once, but never a hard drive failure.

Do you guys get a lot of earthquakes or get drunk after work and dance on your laptops? :p

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Originally Posted by pino

... I am just going to tell the main reason why I have bought an iPhone : the great amazing and unique quality audio. Music for me it's so important that I always chose the best no matter the price. I have tested all the mobile available and none could match the iPhone.

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I've never come across anybody saying the iPhone (or any phone for that matter) has particularly great sound quality, although the iPhone is possibly the best of a mediocre bunch. Mind you most of the people I see are using those ridiculous Beats or Skullcandy headphones, so I guess quality takes a back seat to perceived fashion for them!

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Originally Posted by henners88

Its not just an operating system though is it? You seem to be picking out what you like to respond to. I don't believe the Apple OS looks shocking and I'm pretty sure most Product designers in my field would agree its alot more stylish and easy to use than Windows 7. Most graphic designer like Mac's because they are nice to use and most design packages work freely with Mac.

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That is your opinion henners ol' mate. I find OS X to be rather dumb and Windows 7 to be at least 10 times better. Also, I have loads of friends who are graphic designers, because I work in a similar area, and none of them use OS X. You already know very well that programmers stay as far away from Apple as they possibly can. The only ones who use Macs are the video editors for FCP.

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I've just been unlucky and I'm not alone. Theres quite a few threads started across the internet of Dell users with the same laptop as mine who have had to return their laptops because of cheap end hard drives being used.

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Never a case with me in my decade old Dell experience. But who knows, by the time I end typing this, the hard drive in this laptop might go kaput. :p

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My Casio only cost £200 less than my Tag so its within the price bracket comparison you are doing between Mac and PC.. So again, why would someone pay 200 quid more for a watch, when they have another that does more? I'm guessing you have never been guilty of liking a brand so much you'd buy it over another?

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I've never liked a brand so much that I would pay $800 more, or hell, even $200 more. ;) Logic always comes first somehow. Maybe when I get rich, then I could throw money around on things I don't really need. :p

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Originally Posted by henners88

You are convinced and you are entitled to that opinion. The problem you seem to have is that you don't appear willing to accept others may not agree with you or are providing answers that are acceptable to you on the criteria you are outlining. To you the more powerful the hardware, the better the phone as long as it is cheaper, so why do so many people not share you opinion on this and buy iPhones, Mac's, iPads etc? They are not all gullible and stupid my friend. :)

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The thing is I don't care if people like Apple products or buy them in bundles and use them or whatever.

Like I said, I can't understand, and probably never would understand the ridiculous pricing from Apple. Let's just make our peace with that. :)

Ok Dave now you have come across someone who says that iPhone is the best music mobile on the marked by miles. And btw I am not using crap earphones, got 2 different one both excellent : Klipsch i4 and Shure SE 315 but even with the original earphones the sound is amazing ;)

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Ok Dave now you have come across someone who says that iPhone is the best music mobile on the marked by miles. And btw I am not using crap earphones, got 2 different one both excellent : Klipsch i4 and Shure SE 315 but even with the original earphones the sound is amazing ;)

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Being the best mobile for music is a bit like being the best driver in the HRT team! :p

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Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

I am already convinced Apple products are a load of trash.

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Really?

For me for a computer or phone to be trash it has to be unfit for purpose, either doesn't work or is near unusable. I put it to you that on the current market you'll have to try VERY hard to find any product that is 'trash' as you call it, and if it is it will almost certainly be a fly-by-night company flogging a PC-based product due to the ease of manufacture. Apples would be at the top end of the market and satisfaction rates would suggest they are far from trash.

But this raises another question.

On this thread over the last few pages I've paid attention to, you've claimed that Apple customers are gullible and ignorant while Apple products are trash.

I think most people have made clear on this thread that Apples are not the answer to everything and that people have respect for, use and buy other products where they provide a better solution to their needs. Nowhere have I seen anyone deride users of non-Apple products.

You might wish to take note that the only person using derisive language like that is you. This does your argument very little good and by extension puts you in a poor light.

BTW your argument appears to revolve around the fact that Apple products offer poor value for money in terms of hardware performance and it seems that you cannot grasp the fact that other factors might be of importance to consumers. This is an exceptionally simplistic view of the computer and phone market, indeed of the world in general.

Extending your argument to the car market you would be arguing that Kias are by far the best car in the world and that by any objective measure anyone who buys a premium brand such as BMW or Mercedes must be an idiot. The problem is you're ignoring and dismissing all those voices saying "I want something that makes me feel good" "I need something sporty" "I need something that can take me off-road".

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Originally Posted by Dave B

There's a lot of FUD but you should apply the same sensible precautions as you do with any other OS: don't download from dodgy sites, don't click links you don't trust, and check what permissions you give apps. There are a few bits of malware for Android, and some of them made it onto the official store whereas Apple are a tad more anal about checking these things; but don't automatically assume other OSs are automatically immune, that's the kind of herd thinking which leads to monumentally stupid statements like "Macs don't get infected" or "you don't need antivirus with Firefox".

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Thanks for that, so no specific security weaknesses then as long as you're being sensible.

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Originally Posted by pino

Dear Captain, dunno in your country but where I live at the moment (Danmark) 8 people out of 10 have an iPhone...there must be a reason don't you think? Also I am not an expert and my English is too poor to get involved in this discussion so I am just going to tell the main reason why I have bought an iPhone : the great amazing and unique quality audio. Music for me it's so important that I always chose the best no matter the price. I have tested all the mobile available and none could match the iPhone. Also the biggest mobile websites in their test have iPhone on top so it was an easy choice for me. I have owned my iPhone 4S for 5 months now, it work perfectly in everything and have suggested it to other people. Many went for it and are now very satisfied about their choice. So I really don't get all your critics but life is beautiful just because each one has a different opinion...

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Like Cap R said, its popular because its popular. Many buy them because "everybody else" have one, rather then because the phones specs.
Does that automatically make it good phone? Its the same with most things. Our purchases are influenced by others.

Regarding prices currently these are the cheapest prices that i can find for some phones

HTC One X, 5000kr
S. Galaxy SIII, 5500kr
Iphone 4S, 5200kr

So what with the older 4S makes it worth the same money as the HOX and the S3?

Imo the S3 and HOX are the phones that currently sets the standard for a top of the line smartphone and i dont think
that IP5 will reach up to their standard.

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You already know very well that programmers stay as far away from Apple as they possibly can.

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Can't agree! The development team where I work all use Macs and find them much better for development than PCs.

I suspect they'd find Linux even better but perhaps that's a step too far.









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