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1st September 2010, 08:21
Mia 01

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but why do you think Alonso is on par with Hamilton when Hamilton had the measure of him in his rookie year?

IMO A good question would be whether Alonso is doing worse at Ferrari than Räikkönen was? So far, the answer would appear to be yes.

Agreed

Kimi is/was the fastest man in F1. And his mental strenght, noone ever in F1 have come close to him.
1st September 2010, 09:07
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

If you think Bridgestone were keen to favour Ferrari for marketing reasons, which I believe they did, as did Michelin with Renault, then you can expect Pirelli to be even more keen.

Hope not, Pirelli, IIRC, were unable to build tyres to last a race distance. Sure, for the 5 or so laps they held together they were blistering (scuse the pun), but races have rarely been run over only a handful of laps.
1st September 2010, 12:42
Retro Formula 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by DexDexter

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but why do you think Alonso is on par with Hamilton when Hamilton had the measure of him in his rookie year?

IMO A good question would be whether Alonso is doing worse at Ferrari than Räikkönen was? So far, the answer would appear to be yes.

I think Kimi got royally shafted at Ferrari. I do think Alonso would be the more successful out of the two because he's more of a b****rd. Kimi is Kimi.

About the first year, I think Alonso learned a lesson. He tried to win by default instead of on the track. Then he tried to blacmail his team and eventually got handed a butt full of whoop ass.

These days, I feel that Hamilton will beat Alonso but they are pretty close. On par may be wrong but it's not the driving that will seperate them.

Still, all opinion.
1st September 2010, 17:44
jens

Interesting that without German GP team orders Massa would be only 18 points behind Alonso. Actually I wanted to say that to me it seems like Massa has managed to raise his game since Valencia, being capable of more or less matching Alonso's pace. Shame he gave too much away in the first half of the season, so now he doesn't have much else to do than simply wait for 2011.
1st September 2010, 18:56
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by jens

Interesting that without German GP team orders Massa would be only 18 points behind Alonso. Actually I wanted to say that to me it seems like Massa has managed to raise his game since Valencia, being capable of more or less matching Alonso's pace. Shame he gave too much away in the first half of the season, so now he doesn't have much else to do than simply wait for 2011.

2011 will not change anything. Alonso is the number one driver and Massa will play second fiddle. That's just the strategy they've adopted, right or wrong.
1st September 2010, 19:01
jens

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

2011 will not change anything. Alonso is the number one driver and Massa will play second fiddle. That's just the strategy they've adopted, right or wrong.

In Australia or Malaysia Massa wasn't asked to move over, when the Ferrari drivers were still close in the standings. In the end #1 drivers are decided on track. Webber was considered to be a #2, but this doesn't prevent him from being the bigger title contender of the two RBR drivers.
1st September 2010, 20:01
ioan

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Originally Posted by jens

In Australia or Malaysia Massa wasn't asked to move over, when the Ferrari drivers were still close in the standings. In the end #1 drivers are decided on track. Webber was considered to be a #2, but this doesn't prevent him from being the bigger title contender of the two RBR drivers.

The difference being that Webber isn't racing against Santander, I mean Alonsita. ;)
1st September 2010, 20:48
pino

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Originally Posted by ioan

The difference being that Webber isn't racing against Santander, I mean Alonsita. ;)

ioan...the name is Alonso, do remember that !
1st September 2010, 20:49
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by jens

In Australia or Malaysia Massa wasn't asked to move over, when the Ferrari drivers were still close in the standings. In the end #1 drivers are decided on track. Webber was considered to be a #2, but this doesn't prevent him from being the bigger title contender of the two RBR drivers.

Fernando hadn't stamped his authority then, now he has.
1st September 2010, 20:52
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Fernando hadn't stamped his authority then, now he has.

Fernando hadn't stamped his foot and scweemed very loudly then, now he has. ;)
1st September 2010, 20:56
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Fernando hadn't stamped his authority then, now he has.

Which is why he was signed, and what the money he is paid is for.

And why this Tifoso is happy with the progress of the Scuderia with Alonso.
1st September 2010, 21:20
ioan

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Originally Posted by pino

ioan...the name is Alonso, do remember that !

You're right it's the mighty cry baby 'let me through' Alonso, or shall we call him Mr. Wet Setup Alonso?
Whichever you prefer mighty pino.
2nd September 2010, 04:54
Roamy

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're right it's the mighty cry baby 'let me through' Alonso, or shall we call him Mr. Wet Setup Alonso?
Whichever you prefer mighty pino.

I think I will call him Mr. Monza

want to bet big mouth!!!!!!
2nd September 2010, 07:37
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Which is why he was signed, and what the money he is paid is for.

And why this Tifoso is happy with the progress of the Scuderia with Alonso.

La Gazzetta Dello Sport readers were not happy after Spa, based on the numerous comments I read but I guess they're not Tifoso. But I agree, Alonso was signed to be the lead driver, it's just that he is not Michael Schumacher of 1996.
2nd September 2010, 07:43
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

La Gazzetta Dello Sport readers were not happy after Spa, based on the numerous comments I read but I guess they're not Tifoso. But I agree, Alonso was signed to be the lead driver, it's just that he is not Michael Schumacher of 1996.

Are you sure....? Alonso 2010 seems to be just as successful as Schumacher 1996. I hope he's not going to be like the Schumacher 1997, Schumacher 1998, Schumacher 1999. That would be too much.
2nd September 2010, 07:44
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're right it's the mighty cry baby 'let me through' Alonso, or shall we call him Mr. Wet Setup Alonso?
Whichever you prefer mighty pino.

I'd prefer 'The man that retired the man that retired Schumacher' Alonso.
2nd September 2010, 09:57
Retro Formula 1

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Which is why he was signed, and what the money he is paid is for.

And why this Tifoso is happy with the progress of the Scuderia with Alonso.

Just what is the progress this year? Ferrari started off OK but since Massa got screwed, they look to be struggleing. Well, Alonso anyway. Massa was a bit demotivated but seems to be doing a Webber and proving himself even though the team are behind the other driver.

Considering the advantage Alonso has in the team, Massa isn't doing too badly I don't think. Without Massa being forced to gift a win to Alonso, they would both have a win a piece this year and the gap between them would be considerably less. As it is, they are beside each other in the standings.

This years Ferrari is (in my opinion) the second best car out there and on some occassions, has been the class of the field. Massa is highly experienced and Alonso a 2xWDC so why the f*** is McLaren taking the fight to Red Bull and not Ferrari?

Tifosi may be happy with Alonso in the team and that's fine but if I was one, I would be asking what the hell is happening??? I have huge respect for Alonso but he is not getting the results I think he should and is squandering the advantage he has over his lap dog team mate.
2nd September 2010, 09:59
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by eu

Are you sure....? Alonso 2010 seems to be just as successful as Schumacher 1996. I hope he's not going to be like the Schumacher 1997, Schumacher 1998, Schumacher 1999. That would be too much.

You obviously didn't watch 1996 season when Schumacher had the ugly and slow Barnard-car and Newey-designed Williams dominated the year despite having a rookie and a mediocre lead driver. Michael still won 3 races.
2nd September 2010, 12:24
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

You obviously didn't watch 1996 season when Schumacher had the ugly and slow Barnard-car and Newey-designed Williams dominated the year despite having a rookie and a mediocre lead driver. Michael still won 3 races.

Yes, I did watch it... it was my first actually and I used to be Hill's fan back then so I don't really agree with your evaluation of him... however you say that Schumi won 3 races that year against 2 mediocre drivers and that is ... huh, amazing?
2nd September 2010, 15:20
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

But I agree, Alonso was signed to be the lead driver, it's just that he is not Michael Schumacher of 1996.

I do not expect him to be a Michael Schumacher. Schumacher was a one-off.

But also he is not the Kimi Raikkonen of 2008 & 2009.

Thankfully.
2nd September 2010, 15:28
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

I do not expect him to be a Michael Schumacher. Schumacher was a one-off.

But also he is not the Kimi Raikkonen of 2008 & 2009.

Thankfully.

The Kimi of 2009 did, if memory serves me, win in the recalcitrant Ferrari. A car, lest we forget, that was born as poor as the '09 McLaren, and the development on which, Ferrari stopped early in order to produce a 'cracker' for this year.

I might also point out that whilst McLaren hd a poor car at the start of the season, the KERS was pretty handy. The Magnetti Marelli KERS, I hasten to add, tried on several occasions to pan-fry Kimi's cahones & butt cheeks.

Thus far, both car and 'star' driver for 2010 have failed to deliver the promise.
2nd September 2010, 16:19
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

The Kimi of 2009 did, if memory serves me, win in the recalcitrant Ferrari. A car, lest we forget, that was born as poor as the '09 McLaren, and the development on which, Ferrari stopped early in order to produce a 'cracker' for this year.

I might also point out that whilst McLaren hd a poor car at the start of the season, the KERS was pretty handy. The Magnetti Marelli KERS, I hasten to add, tried on several occasions to pan-fry Kimi's cahones & butt cheeks.

Thus far, both car and 'star' driver for 2010 have failed to deliver the promise.

Your memory is incorrect. The Ferrari was the best car at Spa last year. It was not an amazing win.

You may also like to remember that Kimi was more interested in ice cream than working.

For that alone, Alonso is worth twice as much.
2nd September 2010, 16:40
ShiftingGears

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Your memory is incorrect. The Ferrari was the best car at Spa last year. It was not an amazing win.

You may also like to remember that Kimi was more interested in ice cream than working.

For that alone, Alonso is worth twice as much.

Clutching at straws. Man eats ice cream after car fails.
2nd September 2010, 16:58
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Your memory is incorrect. The Ferrari was the best car at Spa last year. It was not an amazing win.

You may also like to remember that Kimi was more interested in ice cream than working.

For that alone, Alonso is worth twice as much.

How interested would you be if your team was manouvering to buy you out of your contract, and replace you with a blackmailing primadonna?

Of course, in Kimi's case - he who laughs last........
2nd September 2010, 16:59
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Clutching at straws. Man eats ice cream after car fails.

Yeah, I bet it wasn't even a 99 Flake!
2nd September 2010, 17:22
ioan

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Originally Posted by Roamy

I think I will call him Mr. Monza

want to bet big mouth!!!!!!

They might name a corner after him, the one where he spins out again! :p
2nd September 2010, 17:26
ioan

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Originally Posted by eu

I'd prefer 'The man that retired the man that retired Schumacher' Alonso.

Or 'the man who was shown the door by a rookie' Alonso!

PS: Getting your seat paid for by a bank doesn't equal being better than the driver who was bought out.
2nd September 2010, 20:03
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by henners88

Indeed, and how people can base a person's whole work philosophy on a 5 second snippet of footage, is abit of a joke. If Kimi eating ice cream is going to be used as a serious response in any debate, then its clear some of us are not on the same page IMO.

A corner short of a GP circuit IYAM!
2nd September 2010, 20:18
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by henners88

Indeed, and how people can base a person's whole work philosophy on a 5 second snippet of footage, is abit of a joke. If Kimi eating ice cream is going to be used as a serious response in any debate, then its clear some of us are not on the same page IMO.

And why does it matter that I am not on the same page as you?

Who are you to decide what page people should be on?

You and your fellow bullyboys do not have the right to think you are better than anyone.

I have asked you before to show some respect. Apparently that was a waste of time.
2nd September 2010, 20:21
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

And why does it matter that I am not on the same page as you?

Who are you to decide what page people should be on?

You and your fellow bullyboys do not have the right to think you are better than anyone.

Show some respect.

Henners me old mucker, I think you were just insulted there.

Did our familiar friend call you a bully?
2nd September 2010, 21:11
Mia 01

Thanks for the vid henner. You made my day!
2nd September 2010, 21:24
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

But also he is not the Kimi Raikkonen of 2008 & 2009.

Thankfully.

I thought you were a ferrari fan. Obviously you only wish bad to ferrari so you arent a fan.
2nd September 2010, 21:42
Bagwan

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

And why does it matter that I am not on the same page as you?

Who are you to decide what page people should be on?

You and your fellow bullyboys do not have the right to think you are better than anyone.

I have asked you before to show some respect. Apparently that was a waste of time.

Don't let them provoke you , Pallone .

Kimi never had the passion required to be a Ferrari driver .
It was a mis-match , and a mistake from the word go .

And , his ice cream episode showed a driver uninterested in his team , and was a perfect example of why Alonso is infinitely better for the seat .

Remember this is "the Ferrari thread" and these two posters are not Tifosi .
Respect is not why they are here .

Though I cannot call myself Tifoso , I understand .
You are not alone .
3rd September 2010, 01:12
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Don't let them provoke you , Pallone .

Kimi never had the passion required to be a Ferrari driver .
It was a mis-match , and a mistake from the word go .

I would not call winning the 2007 title for himself and the Scuderia a mistake :eek:

Kimi does not have the sort of personality that Ferrari love and want their drivers to have, thats true, but it remains that he got the job done and that after all was what he was hired to do in the first place.
3rd September 2010, 08:09
Big Ben

I have nothing against Kimi but overall, his 3 years at Ferrari are less then impressive and McLaren is doing much better since he left too. I was delighted when he won the title in 2007 but that was only because McLaren were stupid enough to fight against their better driver... and even in Brasil when it was up to him Massa had to slow down to let him win.
3rd September 2010, 08:34
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

I have asked you before to show some respect.

Respect is earned, not given on demand.
3rd September 2010, 08:58
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by eu

Yes, I did watch it... it was my first actually and I used to be Hill's fan back then so I don't really agree with your evaluation of him... however you say that Schumi won 3 races that year against 2 mediocre drivers and that is ... huh, amazing?

Schumi did better than Alonso with a much worse car, that was my point, which surely an intelligent bloke like you understood.
3rd September 2010, 09:03
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Don't let them provoke you , Pallone .

Kimi never had the passion required to be a Ferrari driver .
It was a mis-match , and a mistake from the word go .

And , his ice cream episode showed a driver uninterested in his team , and was a perfect example of why Alonso is infinitely better for the seat .

Remember this is "the Ferrari thread" and these two posters are not Tifosi .
Respect is not why they are here .

Though I cannot call myself Tifoso , I understand .
You are not alone .

How do you know whether he had passion or not? You judged him based on what you consider to be "passion", what is considered passion in your culture.
Kimi's problem at Ferrari was cultural, that's pretty evident.
3rd September 2010, 09:20
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Schumi did better than Alonso with a much worse car, that was my point, which surely an intelligent bloke like you understood.

Well, you overestimate me. The circumstances are very diferrent so a comparison based purely on results is too simplistic and it's done only because it suits one's bias IMO.
3rd September 2010, 09:35
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Your memory is incorrect. The Ferrari was the best car at Spa last year. It was not an amazing win.

Actually, I would stick my neck out and suggest that, on that day, in those conditions, the Force India was the best car. Kimi Won the race by clever timing/use of the KERS.

He then, for lap after lap, despite the Force India doing its best impression of 'white van man' on the M25 (right up his a**!), kept Fisi behind him.

Kimi was thought very highly of at McLaren, and I think they certainly got the best out of him - sadly, the McLarens during Kimi's time there were not a match for his talent in terms of reliability.

His wins and recovery drives from the back due to qually engine failures were testament to his quality.

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