Rally History (part III)

What BTCC cars are running?

HALKIDIKIS RALLY 1982

N°1 Tony-Rudy (Opel Ascona 400)
N°2 Mac Rae-Grindrod (Opel Ascona 400)
N°3 ? (Lancia Rally 037)
N°4 Moschous-Fertakis (Nissan 240 RS)
N°5 ???
N°6 Colsoul-Lopès (Opel Ascona 400)
N°7 ??? (Ford Escort RS 1800)
N°8 ???
N°9 Léonidas-Kokkinis (R 5 Turbo)
N°10 ????
N°11 ????
N°12 ????
N°14 ???? (Opel Ascona)
N°15 ???? (Lancia Stratos)
N°16 ???? (Toyota Célica GT)
N°17 ????
N°18 ???? (Opel Kadett GTE)
N°19 ???? (Ford Escort RS 2000)
N°20 ???? (Opel Manta)

I search entry list about this rally, if someone can help me. Many thanks
mlanders@orange.fr

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Originally Posted by januszsz

In RAC'82 there is only one D.Thompson with Chevette (No 58) and... is it "Piggy" or that other David?

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Sorry, Janusz, I can't say for certain but based on the seeding, if I really had to choose, I would go with "Piggy".
Steve

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Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

I believe there was another David Thompson rallying at the time.

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The other David Thompson was from the North East and had two brothers who also competed Peter and Simon. The sponsor would usually be one of two family owned businesses Harold Thompson and Sons, a Vauxhall Dealership in North Shields or Charta Furniture on Wearside.

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Originally Posted by Martin Liddle

The other David Thompson was from the North East and had two brothers who also competed Peter and Simon. The sponsor would usually be one of two family owned businesses Harold Thompson and Sons, a Vauxhall Dealership in North Shields or Charta Furniture on Wearside.

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Thanks for the confirmation, Martin, I was fairly confident, but not absolutely certain. Incidentally the co-driver of the "D. Thompson" in 1982 that Janusz was asking about was Ken Bills according to juwra.com. Would that tip the balance in favour of "Piggy" or the other way?

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Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

Sorry, Janusz, I can't say for certain but based on the seeding, if I really had to choose, I would go with "Piggy".

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I would tend to disagree based on the fact that Ken Bills was the co-driver (both were (and Ken still is) Tynemouth and District Motor Club members); however I can't be certain. I'll ask Ken Bills next time I see him.

The other way ie. not Piggy. Ken Bills was from North East, not Yorkshire. Having said that, David "Charta" Thompson was in Sussex (Chichester) at one time.
Not that the above is needed to identify him. I knew David from Finland in 74. I passed him on that 82 RAC on the last Kielder stage, having dropped into a ditch and still partly on the road. I was distracted, thinking I should pass a message that he just needed a push to get back on, and I ran wide on the next bend and rolled down an embankment...

Edit: crossed with previous post.

What about the BTCC? Given this is the touring car section, thats what should be being discussed...not some old rally cars :rolleyes:

Hello,

I search entry list about Manx Rally 1987 (Inter and national), Scottish Rally 1975, 1976, 1979, 1980 and Circuit d'Irlande 1973

If someone can help me many thanks

mlanders@orange.fr

ERC - 1972 :
2/Costa Brava - 6-10 th ;
06 F./Jorge? Bäbler E Boreau Seat 1430 S
07 Johan Wiklund FIN Anders Wiklund FIN BMW 2002 TI
08 Javier Brugue E Rost E Seat 1430 S
09 Luigi Merlone I Riccardo Mortara I Volvo 142 S
10 Marcos Vial Alpine-Renault A110

3/Neige et Glace - 6-9 th ;
06 Michel Julien F Bernard Pellegrin F Alpine-Renault A110 1600
07 Jean Ragnotti F Coche Opel Ascona 1.9
08 Charpentier Pierre Renault 12 Gordini
09 Court-Payen F Del Negri Opel Kadett

5/Pneumant NDR -5-10 th ; - I have just only top 5

6/Firestone - 8 th ;
08 Jean-Francois Mas F Gass Porsche 911S? / BMW 2002 Ti?

8/Scottish - 5 th ;
05 Ingvar Carlsson S Ingmar Carlsson S BMW 2002Tii

9/Semperit - 9-10 th ;
09 Dr Gernot Fischer A Wolfgang Tatzl A Volkswagen 1302 S
10 Georg Koltay A Günther Böhs A BMW 2002Ti

11/Vltava - 6,9 th ;
06 Folker Löw D Willi-Peter Pitz D Opel Ascona
09 Folke Jansen D Karel Sedlacek CS Ford Capri

15/San Martino di Castrozza - 7,10 th ;
07 Alberto Smania I Fabio Zambelli I Fiat 124 Spyder Rally
10 Vanni Tachini I Costantino Mariani I Lancia Fulvia Rally HF 1600

16/Tour de France -7 th ;
07 Henri Balas F Francois Xavier Foucher F Porsche 911S

17/Sachs Baltic - 6-10 th ;
06 John Haugland N Arlid Antonsen N Skoda 120 S
07 Tommy Wilhelmsson S Arne Johansson S Volvo 142
08 Birger Tangeland N Fadum N BMW 1600 Ti
09 Bent?? Sörensen DK Petersen DK BMW 2002
10 Johannes Schnoor D Günther Schwartz D BMW 1602

18/München-Wien-Budapest - 4 th and 9-10 th ;
04 Georg Koltay A Max Ogrisek A BMW 2002 Alpina
09 Robert Mucha PL Tomasz Pułczyński PL Polski Fiat 125p 1500
10 Johannes Husar A Günther Böhs A Fiat 125 S

19/Yu - 3 th ;
03 Jovica Palikovic YU Miroslav Terzic YU Renault 12 Gordini

20/TAP - 6,10 th ;
06 Giovanni Salvi P Luigi Valle P Porsche 911S
10 Wim Luijbregts NL Kees Luijbregts NL DAF 55 Marathon

24/Tour de Belgique - 7-10 th - I have just only top 6

Regards
Janusz

Thanks , Janusz . Help me for ERC - 1/Rutes du Nord - 4,8,10 th ;3/NDR - 3,4,7,10 th ;4/Isola d'Elba - 2-10 th ;5/Cirkuit of Ireland - 5-10 th ;6/Wisbaden - 3,7,10 th ;9/Jeneva - 4-10 th ;10/Vltava - 4 th ;12/Danube - 5,10 th ;15/Tour de France - 9 th ;16/TAP - 4,8 th ;19/Belgia - 3,5,8 th .

Erc - 1971

Should be discussing touring cars here, not rally, given this is the touring car section.

ERC 1971 -
1/Routes du Nord - 4,8,10 th ;
04 J.C. Zaganelli Ballcot Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
08 Roger Barbara F A. Lemire Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
10 Michael Butler GB Bob/Govert? de Jong NL Ford Capri 3000

3/Pneumant DDR - 3,4,7,10 th ;
03 Holger Böhne D Karl-Heinz Wellman D BMW 2002 TI
04 Morten Spiro DK Per Brons DK BMW 2002 TI
07 F. Pedersen DK O. Kristensen DK Triumph Mk I
10 Raimar-Lothar Jahnke D Egon Wittig A Ford Escort GT

4/Isola d'Elba - 2-10 th ;
02 Ferdinando Tecilla I Sergio Lipizer I Fiat 125 S
03 Giulio Bisulli I Arturo Zanuccoli I Fiat 125 S
04 Giorgio Taufer I Toni Bond I Porsche 911S
05 Gianni Bossetti I "Tiziano" I Lancia Fulvia HF 1600
06 Renato Sonda I Bernardino Bertollo I Fiat 125 S
07 Arnaldo Cavallari I Gianti Simoni I Lancia Fulvia HF 1600
08 Bossetti I Tony? Ferrari I Lancia Fulvia HF 1600
09 Fausto Carello I Ciano?/F? Oberti I Fiat 124 Spyder
10 Maurizio Verini I Piazza I Fiat 124 Spyder

5/Circuit of Ireland - 5-10 th ;
05 Barry Lee GB John Coles GB Ford Escort TC
06 Lasse Jönsson S Alf Quist S Saab 96 V4
07 Noël Smith GB Des Flanagan GB BMC Mini Cooper S
08 Cecil Vard IRL Paul Phelan IRL Porsche 911S
09 Mervyn Johnston IRL Harry Johnston IRL BMC Mini Cooper S
10 Greg O'Gorman Leo White Ford Escort TC

6/Wiesbaden - 3,7,10 th ;
03 Peter Brink D Hans Joachim Brink D Porsche 911S
07 Rudolf Müller Georg Hopf A BMW 2002
10 Berthold Gruner Walter Gronzinger Porsche 911S

9/Geneve - 4-10 th ; I have only top 6 and 8th
04 Florian Vetsch Olivier Porsche 911S
05 Marie-Pierre Palayer F Christine Rouff Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
06 Bernard Fiorentino F Maurice Gelin F Simca CG-MC Coupé
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08 Guy Chasseuil F Christian Baron F Alfa Romeo 1750

10/Vltava - 4 th ;
04 Per Sandager-Holm DK Kjeld Sörensen DK Ford Escort GT

12/Danube - 5,10 th ;
05 Heinz Böck A H Kohlbacher A Mazda RX2
10 L./Stefan? Iancovici RO V. Ficiu RO Renault 8 Gordini

15/Tour de France - 9 th ;
09 Jean Egreteaud F J. Boissonet F Porsche 911S 2.2

16/TAP - 4,8 th ;
04 Renato Sonda I Francesco Manfrotto I Fiat 125 S
08 Manuel Gomes Pereira P José Marcal P Opel 1604 S

19/Tour de Belgique - 3,5,8 th
03 Sobiesław Zasada PL Nicolas Koob L BMW 2002 TI
05 "Chavan" B Robert Loyens B Datsun 240Z
08 Chris Tuerlinckx B Etienne Stalpaert B Opel Manta

Regards
Janusz

a ERC - 1971 : Rally Routes du Nord - 9 th .

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Originally Posted by Alfa Fan

Should be discussing touring cars here, not rally, given this is the touring car section.

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What are you talking about? This is the Motorsport history section of the Forum and this is a thread on rallying history.

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Originally Posted by stanislav197

a ERC - 1971 : Rally Routes du Nord - 9 th .

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09 Dekytspotter Michel Delannoy Porsche 911S

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Originally Posted by cvhi

Hello,

I search entry list about Manx Rally 1987 (Inter and national), Scottish Rally 1975, 1976, 1979, 1980 and Circuit d'Irlande 1973

If someone can help me many thanks

mlanders@orange.fr

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Hi Christophe
From 25 Years of the Manx Rally by Doug Baird & Gordon Kniveton, I have copied the following:

Manx International Rally 1987 (September 10-12), start & finish Douglas, IoM

Entries:
1 Jimmy McRae/Ian Grindrod (Ford Sierra Cosworth) 1st
2 David Llewellin/Phil Short (Audi Quattro Coupé) 7th
3 Mark Lovell/Roger Freeman (Ford Sierra Cosworth) 2nd
4 Russell Brookes/Mike Broad (Opel Kadett GSi) 5th
5 Malcolm Wilson/Nigel Harris (Peugeot 205GTi) retired - off in stage
6 Andrew Wood/John Meadows (Opel Kadett GSi) 8th

Results:
1 Jimmy McRae/Ian Grindrod (Ford Sierra Cosworth) 3h 47m 46s
2 Mark Lovell/Roger Freeman (Ford Sierra Cosworth) 3h 48m 29s
3 Pentti Airikkala/Ronan McNamee (Opel Kadett GSi) 3h 53m 14s
4 Simon Davison/Steve Bond (VW Golf GTi) 3h 54m 48s
5 Russell Brookes/Mike Broad (Opel Kadett GSi) 3h 55m 29s
6 Dave Metcalfe/Paul Watkins (Opel Kadett GSi) 3h 56m 36s
7 David Llewellin/Phil Short (Audi Quattro Coupé) 3h 57m 33s
8 Andrew Wood/John Meadows (Opel Kadett GSi) 3h 59m 51s
9 Sebastian Lindholm (VW Golf GTi) 4h 01m 45s
10 Chris Mellors/Harold White (Ford Sierra Cosworth) 4h 03m 04s

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Originally Posted by januszsz

In RAC'82 there is only one D.Thompson with Chevette (No 58) and... is it "Piggy" or that other David?

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Janusz
You have your answer from FAL in his post above - my guess was wrong which is why I don't bet money on these questions!

Thanks,Janusz.Help me for ERC - 1970 :2/NDR - 3,5,9,10 th ;3/Circuit of Ireland - 4-10 th ;4/Isola d'Elba -5 th end 8-10 th ;6/Wisbaden - 3,5,7,8 th ;7/Bodensee - 4-7 th ;8/Lorainne - 3-4 th ;9/Scotish - 4,6,9 th ;10/Geneve - 9 th ;11/Vltava - 3,8 th ;12/Raid Polski - 7 th ;15/San Martino di K. - 6-7 th ;16/Tour de France - 8-10 th ;17/München-Wien-Budapest - 4,6,10 th ;18/TAP - 5-10 th ;19/1000 minuten - 5,10 th ;20/ RACE - 9,10 th ;21/Corsika - 7 th ;22/Tour de Belgique - 9 th .

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Originally Posted by Martin Liddle

What are you talking about? This is the Motorsport history section of the Forum and this is a thread on rallying history.

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It's in the touring car section. So touring cars should be discussed, not rally cars.

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Originally Posted by Alfa Fan

It's in the touring car section. So touring cars should be discussed, not rally cars.

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Wrong ! this thread is about Rally History so anything about rallying is welcome here :)

Look in the touring car section. It is in the touring car section. If it is also in the Rally section, then please remove it from touring cars as it has no relevance.

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Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

Janusz
You have your answer from FAL in his post above - my guess was wrong which is why I don't bet money on these questions!

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Thank you all who took part in discussion on Davids Thompsons. Special thanks to FAL who solved it.
Regards
Janusz

ERC - 1970 :
2/Penumant - 3,5,9,10 th ;
03 Gilbert Casselsjö S C. Olsson S Ford Capri GT
05 Eberhard Asmus DDR Helmuth Piehler DDR Trabant 601
09 Frieder Kramer DDR Gisela Kramer DDR Trabant 601
10 E Erlich DDR D. Schöne DDR Wartburg 353

3/Circuit of Ireland - 4-10 th ;
04 Robert McBurney GB Norman Smith GB BMW 2002 TI
05 Lasse Jönsson S Andres Quist S Saab 96 V4
06 John Bloxham GB Richard Harper GB BMW 2002 TI
07 Adrian Boyd IRL Beatty Crawford IRL Ford Escort TC
08 Mick Dolan IRL John O'Brien IRL Ford Escort TC
09 Tony Fowkes GB Peter O'Gorman GB Ford Cortina Lotus
10 Bror Danielsson S S-E. Johansson S Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye

4/Isola d'Elba -5 th and 8-10 th ;
05 Renato Sonda I Delfo Turri I Fiat 125 S
08 "Giubar" I Scalabrini I Fiat 124
09 Squillace I Domenico Bettini I Lancia Fulvia Rally HF 1600
10 "Popo" I Zanussi I Lancia Fulvia Rally HF 1600

6/Wiesbaden - 3,5,7,8 th ;
03 Karl W. Richter D K. Polland D BMW 2002 TI
05 Klaus Miersch D Agethen D Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye
07 Günter Schons D Reiner Zweibäumer D Ford Capri 2.3
08 Erhard Memmel D Gerald Rauch D Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye

7/Bodensee - 4-7 th ;
04 Heribert Neger Sternecker BMW 2002 TI
05 Robert Zelenka A Richard Zelenka A Ford Escort TC
06 Heide Utz D Werner? Brust D BMW 2002 TI
07 Hubert Neukom A Georg Hopf A BMW 2002 TI

8/Lorainne - 3-4 th ;
03 Jacques Henry F Lauer F Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
04 Jean-Louis Barailler F Flavigny F Alfa Romeo

9/Scottish - 4,6,9 th ;
04 Colin "Dan" Grewer GB Ian Grewer GB Volvo 122 S
06 Jimmy Wilson GB Iain Knox GB Hillman Hunter
09 Ron Pilcher GB J. Clark GB Ford Cortina Lotus

10/Geneve - 9 th ;
09 Meier Bianchi Porsche 911R

11/Vltava - 3,8 th ;
03 Walter Roser A Roman Loibnegger A Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
08 Hans Britth S Sven Erik Jansson S Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye

12/Rajd Polski - 7 th ;
07 Ulf Sundberg S D. Jonsson S Lancia Fulvia Rally HF 1600

15/San Martino di Castrozza - 6-7 th ;
06 Alberto Smania I Borsetto I Fiat 125 S
07 "Giampietro" I Borsoi I Porsche 911S

16/Tour de France - 8-10 th ;
08 Henri Balas F A. Imbert F Porsche 914/6
09 Jean-Pierre Hanrioud F M. Viollet F Porsche 911S
10 Selz Cochet Porsche 911S

17/München-Wien-Budapest - 4,6,10 th ;
04 Achim Warmbold D R. Kec D Opel Kadett GT
06 Walter Roser A Leopold Mayer A Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
10 Leopold Bosch A W. Lier Volkswagen 1302 S

18/TAP - 5-10 th ;
05 Francisco Romaozinho P Costa Simoes P Citroën DS 21
06 Antonio Peixinho P José Bandeira P Alfa Romeo 1750
07 Americo Nunes P Fernando Fonseca P Porsche 911S
08 Giovanni Salvi P José Arnaud P Porsche 911T
09 "Chavan" B Robert Loyens B Datsun 1600 SSS
10 Roy Fidler GB Barry Hughes GB Ford Escort TC

19/1000 minuten - 5,10 th ;
05 Dr Gernot Fischer A Klaus Rader A Volkswagen 1302 S
10 F.M. Kerschbaum A R. Sedlacek A BMW 2002 TI

20/ RACE - 9,10 th ;
09 Gerardo van Dulken NL Ricardo Antolin E Renault 8 Gordini
10 Juan Carlos Garcia de la Rasilla E "Javal" E Renault 8 Gordini

21/Tour de Corse - 7 th ;
07 Jean-Marie Jacquemin B Rouff B Alpine-Renault A110

22/Tour de Belgique - 9 th
09 Vanhunessel Demay Porsche 911S

Regards
Janusz

Are we going to talk about Snetterton?

Thanks,Janusz . Help me for ERC - 1969 :3/Tulpen - 1-10 th ;4/Alpenfart - 9-10 th ;5/Acropolis - 4 th end 8-10 th ;9/Coupe des Alpes - 9 th ;10 Baltic - 3-10 th ;11/München-Wien-Budapest - 5-8 th ;12 RACE - 7,10 th ;13 RAC - 10 th .

Some additions to 1974 results, taken from Autocourse 1974/75 - no guarantees that the spelling of all names there is correct.

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Originally Posted by januszsz

ERC - 1974 :
2/Costa Brava - 3-10 th;
03 Pedro Cortes P Jorge Mira Amaral P Datsun 1200
04 Rafael Cid Navarro E Joaquin Nanté E Seat 1430
05 Antonio Borges P Pina de Morais P Alpine-Renault A110
06 "Jean-Claude" E Antonio Sallen E Seat 1430

3/San Marino - 6-10 th ; I have only top 4 - let me know who was 5th
5 Leo Pittoni I Volpinari I Fiat 124
6 Ferraris I Cianci I Lancia Fulvia HF 1.6


15/Ypres - 5 th ;
05 Maurice Nusbaumer F Luc Pyncker B Alpine-Renault A110 -

16/Vltava - 2,4,6,8 th ;
02 Jan Carneborn S Lennart Johansson S Opel Ascona


22/Lugano 3-10h ; -
03 Carlo Bianchi I Pietro Silvia I Porsche 911 Carrera RS
04 Angelo Beretta I Giovanni Pirovano I Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV
05 Walter Finzi I Ernesto Faggioli I Opel Ascona
06 Cesare de Angelis I Giuseppe Gasparoli I Lancia Fulvia HF 1.6

23/Ö.A.S.C
06 Winfried Hermann D Christa Hermann D Porsche 911 Carrera RS


25/Saint-Amand-les-Eaux -1 th and 5-10 th - I don't have that rally as an ERC round in 1974
Also Autocourse does not have results for this rally, but in the ERC points table I have - I think scanned from Italian yearbook Velocità & Rally - this round is included, with Maurice Nusbaumer credited with 20 points for winning this round.

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Thank you Tjeerd for precious additions.
Who can help with Saint-Amand-Les-Aux 1974? - was it a round of ERC or not?
ERC - 1969 :
3/Tulpen - 1-10 th ;
01 Gilbert Staepelaere B André Aerts B Ford Escort TC
02 Rob Slotemaker NL Ferry van der Geest NL BMW 2002 TI
03 Hans Lannsjö S Hans Sundin S Opel Kadett 1.9 Rallye
04 Jean-Louis Haxhe B Christian Delferrier B DAF 55
05 Claude Laurent F Jacques Marche F DAF 55
06 Manfred Gudladt D Heiko Henneking D Alfa Romeo 1750 Berlina
07 Theo Johannes Koks NL Rob Wiedenhoff NL DAF 55
08 Theo Schoondebeek NL Hans de Jong NL BMW 2002
09 Walter Pöltinger A Leopold Mayer A Porsche 911T
10 "Christine" B Gaby Arendt B Alfa Romeo 1750

4/Österreichische Alpenfahrt - 9-10 th ;
09 Walter Pöltinger A Leopold Mayer A Porsche 911
10 Carl Christian Schindler A Gustav Hruschka A Volkswagen 1500

5/Acropolis - 4 th and 8-10 th ; -it was not an ERC rally, it was a part of Makes' Championship

9/Coupe des Alpes - 9 th ; -it was not an ERC rally, probably as they allowed to drive prototypes

10 Baltic - 3-10 th ; -it was not an ERC rally, it was a part of Makes' Championship

11/München-Wien-Budapest - 5-8 th ; -it was not an ERC rally, it was a part of Makes' Championship

12 RACE - 7,10 th ;
07 José Manuel Lencina E Caballero E Lancia Fulvia HF 1.3
08 Kurt Simonsen S Arne Henriksson S Opel Kadett GT
09 Emilio Rodriguez Zapico E "Gregorio" E Renault 8 Gordini
10 Claes Billstam S Synnove Billstam S Opel Kadett

13 RAC - 10 th .
10 Lasse Jönsson S B. Eliasson/P.Lidström? S 26 Saab 96 V4

According to my knowledge ERC callendar in 1969 was realised as follows:
1969 14-17.02 KAK Svenska S
1969 05-08.03 San Remo I
1969 28.04-02.05 Tulpen NL
1969 14-19.05 Alpenfahrt A
1969 04-06.07 Vltava CS
1969 16-19.07 Polski PL
1969 16-19.10 R.A.C.E. E
1969 14-21.11 RAC GB

Regards
Janusz

Thanks, Janusz . Help me for ERC - 1968 :1/Svenska - 7 th ;4/Pnemant - 4-10 th ;6/Wisbaden - 6-10 th ;7/Österreichische Alpenfahrt - 6,7,10 th ;10/Danube - 5-10 th ;11/Geneve - 6,10 th ;14/Coupe des Alpes - 4,6,8,10 th ;15/ RACE - 5-10 th ;16/ RAC - 10 th . Got the final standings for the championship.First a Pauli Toivonen .2-10 th - ?

Hi all, many thanks for all those ERC results updates...
Here's some "corrections".. ad add-ons on stanislav requests...

1995:
Spa : 08 Jean-Paul Schammel/Eric Schock
Spa : 10 Luc Lennertz/Mike Vreven
Ardennes : 09 Olivier Collard/André Toubon
Ardennes : 10 Christoph Schmitz (GER)/Thomas Dienberg (GER)
Rota do Sol : 06 Laurent Galiay/Thierry Galiay
Rota do Sol : 09 Ken Skidmore/Kevin Clark
Rota do Sol : 10 Carlos Fulgêncio/José Martins
Açores : 07 Jorge Félix/Sérgio Paiva
Rouergue : 02 Dominique Kremer/Emmanuel Debois
Turquia : 09 Hakan Severge/Murat Özsan
Cevennes : 02 Richard Thiery/Cyrille Chevron
Cevennes : 04 Guy Hoffeld/Alf Gaspar
Var : 02 Christian Astier/Martine Astier
Var : 08 Tony Margaria/Gabriele Clerici
1996:
Ardennes : 10 Jean Koutenko (LUX)/Carlo Goeres
Roménia : 07 Dan Gîrtofan/Anca Bobes
Açores/BCA : 06 Paulo Rego/Fernando Nunes
Algarve : 04 Gustavo Louro/Raúl Ventura
Algarve : 05 Alexandre Rebelo/José Pedro Silva

ERC 77
Saint Amand : Cancelled
ARBO : I have only 1st: Röhrl/Pitz (Porsche Carrera RSR)...
Lorraine I have only 1st : Francis Roussely/Christian Berguet – Porsche carrera RSR
Donegal:
1. #??? Billy Coleman (IRL)/Austin Frazer (GBR) - Lancia Stratos HF -
2. #??? Campbell (???)/Detlev Speer (???) - Porsche Carrera -
3. #??? Adrian Boyd (IRL)/Vole (???) - Porsche Carrera -
4. #??? David Agnew (GBR)/Robert Harkness (GBR) - BMW 2002 Tii -
5. #??? Bertie Fisher (IRL)/Ian Hughes (IRL) - Ford Escort RS2000 -

1975:
1/Polar Bergslags (I also have only top8), for 2nd place I have:
2. #??? Bror Danielsson (SWE)/Bo Sundberg (SWE) - Opel Ascona SR
1974 Firestone:
7. #??? Julio Gargallo (ESP)/Ignacio Lewin (ESP) - Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV -
8. #??? Juan Carlos Oñoro (ESP)/Juan Petisco (ESP) - Simca 1200-S -
9. #??? Paul Olsen (DNK)/Karsten Richardt (DNK) - BMW 2002 Tii -
10. #??? Christian Gardavot (FRA)/"Ynad" (FRA) - Alpine-Renault A110 -

1973 :
Last Wiesbaden Rally (Coupe des Alpes as well) was held in 1971
for the 1000 minuten rally last edition held in 1972!

in 1969 there was a Makes European Chpship with : Monte, Acropolis, 1000 Lakes, Coupe des Alpes, Baltic and Munchen-Wien-Budapest
I dont know if those rallys count to drivers ERC... for wich I have one more race than Janusz: Romanian Donau Rally from 31/7 to 3/8

Best regards
Américo

Regarding the 1974 St Amand les Eaux discussion: Yes it was a ERC Round ...
Seen in documents below...

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Best regards
Américo.

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Originally Posted by stanislav197

Thanks, Janusz . Help me for ERC - 1968 :1/Svenska - 7 th ;4/Pnemant - 4-10 th ;6/Wisbaden - 6-10 th ;7/Österreichische Alpenfahrt - 6,7,10 th ;10/Danube - 5-10 th ;11/Geneve - 6,10 th ;14/Coupe des Alpes - 4,6,8,10 th ;15/ RACE - 5-10 th ;16/ RAC - 10 th . Got the final standings for the championship.First a Pauli Toivonen .2-10 th - ?

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Hi Stanislav...

1/Svenska - 7 th
7. #??? Jerry Larsson (SWE)/Torsten Palm (SWE) - Saab 96 V4 -

4/Pnemant - 4-10 th
Only have top5...
5. #??? Zdenek Treybal (CSK)/Petr Stefek (CSK) - Saab 96 V4 -

7/Österreichische Alpenfahrt
6. #??? Dieter Benner (???)/Peter Urbanek (???) - BMW 1600Ti -
7. #??? Klaus Reichel (DEU)/Peter Pohl (DEU) - BMW 2002 -
8. #??? Walter Pöltinger (AUT)/Ernst Merinsky (AUT) - Volvo 142-S -
9. #??? Tom Trana (SWE)/Sølve Andreasson (SWE) - Saab 96 V4 -
10. #??? Otto Karger (AUT)/Peter Wessely (AUT) - Matra Djet -

10/Danube
Only have top6...
6. #??? Hans Baier (AUT)/Günther Janger (AUT) - Volkswagen 1302 -

11/Geneve
6. #??? Jacques Cochet (???)/??? Feuz (???) - Porsche 911-S -
7. #??? Bob Wolleck (FRA)/Jean-Pierre Delaunay (FRA) - Renault 8 Gordini -
8. #??? Claude Haldi (CHE)/Eric Chapuis (CHE) - Porsche 911-S -
9. #??? Jean-Jacques Thuner (CHE)/John Gretener (CHE) - Triumph TR5 -
10. #??? Noël Labaune (FRA)/??? Rodet (FRA) - Alfa Romeo GTA -

14/Coupe des Alpes
4. #??? Claude Henry (FRA)/Charles Gros (FRA) - Alpine-Renault A110 -
6. #??? Jean Valabrègue (FRA)/Sylvain Bernard (FRA) - Alpine-Renault A110 -
8. #??? Georges Branche (FRA)/Robert Julien (FRA) - Porsche 911-S -
10. #??? Jean-François Henry (FRA)/Dominique Corvi (FRA) - Alpine-Renault A110 -

15/ RACE
5. #??? Bernard Tramont (ESP)/Ricardo Muñoz (ESP) - Alpine-Renault A110 -
6. #??? Estanislao Reverter (ESP)/Julio Leal (ESP) - Alfa Romeo Giulia GTA -
7. #??? Jean-Pierre Nicolas (FRA)/Claude Roure (FRA) - Renault 8 Gordini -
8. #??? «Pedro» (ESP)/Ramón Canal (ESP) - BMW 2000 Ti -
9. #??? José Manuel Lencina (ESP)/??? Caballero (ESP) - Mini Cooper S -
10. #??? «Christine» (FRA)/«Biche» (FRA) - Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV -

16/ RAC
10. #70 G. John (GBR)/Ian Harwood (GBR) - Ford Cortina Lotus - 764'13"


Best regards Américo.

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Originally Posted by sednem

in 1969 there was a Makes European Chpship with : Monte, Acropolis, 1000 Lakes, Coupe des Alpes, Baltic and Munchen-Wien-Budapest
I dont know if those rallys count to drivers ERC... for wich I have one more race than Janusz: Romanian Donau Rally from 31/7 to 3/8
Best regards
Américo

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Hi Americo,
Makes' Championship was a separate serie from ERC, so those rallies were not a part of ERC.
Donau Rally was planned as a round of ERC but there was disatster with Makes' Championship callendar as Monte Carlo and Coupe des Alpes were out of the championship as they allowed prototypes (no matter what that word means), so Donau was in short notice included to Makes' Championship. It is why I don't have Donau Rally on the ERC'69 list.
Thank you for some additions.

Regards
Janusz

Hi , Americo .ERC - 1975 : Rally Polar Bergslags - 6-8 th ; ERC - 1968 :Rally Sweden - 1-10 th ,Rally Pnemant - 4 th ,Rally Danube - 5 th , RAC - 1-10 th ; ERC - 1973 :Rally Munhen-Wien-Budapest -10 th , Rally Cyprus - 7-10 th .

[quote="sednem"]Hi Stanislav...

1/Svenska - 7 th - It was not an ERC rally, it was a round of Makes' Championship
7. #??? Jerry Larsson (SWE)/Torsten Palm (SWE) - Saab 96 V4 -

4/Pnemant - 4-10 th
Only have top5...
04 Kenneth Gram Nielsen DK M. Sörensen DK BMC Mini Cooper S
5. #??? Zdenek Treybal (CSK)/Petr Stefek (CSK) - Saab 96 V4 -
06 Carl Syberg DK J. Iversen DK Opel Commodore GS
07 Oldrich Horsak CS Jiri Motl CS Skoda 1100 MB
08 Walter Roser A R. Kec Renault 8 Gordini
09 Vaclav Bobek CS H. Bobek CS Skoda 1100 MB
10 Vic Dietmayer A Lambert Hahn A Volvo 142

7/Österreichische Alpenfahrt - It was not an ERC rally, it was a round of Makes' Championship
6. #??? Dieter Benner (???)/Peter Urbanek (???) - BMW 1600Ti -
7. #??? Klaus Reichel (DEU)/Peter Pohl (DEU) - BMW 2002 -
8. #??? Walter Pöltinger (AUT)/Ernst Merinsky (AUT) - Volvo 142-S -
9. #??? Tom Trana (SWE)/Sølve Andreasson (SWE) - Saab 96 V4 -
10. #??? Otto Karger (AUT)/Peter Wessely (AUT) - Matra Djet -

10/Danube
Only have top6...
6. #??? Hans Baier (AUT)/Günther Janger (AUT) - Volkswagen 1302 -
07 G. Bohrn A H. Gubier A Opel Kadett
10 Egon Culmbacher DDR Gunnar Zimmermann DDR Wartburg 353

11/Geneve
6. #??? Jacques Cochet (???)/??? Feuz (???) - Porsche 911-S -
7. #??? Bob Wolleck (FRA)/Jean-Pierre Delaunay (FRA) - Renault 8 Gordini -
8. #??? Claude Haldi (CHE)/Eric Chapuis (CHE) - Porsche 911-S -
9. #??? Jean-Jacques Thuner (CHE)/John Gretener (CHE) - Triumph TR5 -
10. #??? Noël Labaune (FRA)/??? Rodet (FRA) - Alfa Romeo GTA -

14/Coupe des Alpes - it was not an ERC rally
4. #??? Claude Henry (FRA)/Charles Gros (FRA) - Alpine-Renault A110 -
6. #??? Jean Valabrègue (FRA)/Sylvain Bernard (FRA) - Alpine-Renault A110 -
8. #??? Georges Branche (FRA)/Robert Julien (FRA) - Porsche 911-S -
10. #??? Jean-François Henry (FRA)/Dominique Corvi (FRA) - Alpine-Renault A110 -

15/ RACE - It was not an ERC rally, it was a round of Makes' Championship
5. #??? Bernard Tramont (ESP)/Ricardo Muñoz (ESP) - Alpine-Renault A110 -
6. #??? Estanislao Reverter (ESP)/Julio Leal (ESP) - Alfa Romeo Giulia GTA -
7. #??? Jean-Pierre Nicolas (FRA)/Claude Roure (FRA) - Renault 8 Gordini -
8. #??? «Pedro» (ESP)/Ramón Canal (ESP) - BMW 2000 Ti -
9. #??? José Manuel Lencina (ESP)/??? Caballero (ESP) - Mini Cooper S -
10. #??? «Christine» (FRA)/«Biche» (FRA) - Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV -

16/ RAC - It was not an ERC rally, it was a round of Makes' Championship
10. #70 G. John (GBR)/Ian Harwood (GBR) - Ford Cortina Lotus - 764'13"


Regards
Janusz

ERC 1968
5. 5. Internazionale Donau-Rallye für Automobile Castrol-Rallye -
05 Carl Christian Schindler A Ernst Marquart A Volkswagen 1500 Sport

Regards
Janusz

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Originally Posted by sednem

Hi all, many thanks for all those ERC results updates...
Here's some "corrections".. ad add-ons on stanislav requests...

1995:
Spa : 08 Jean-Paul Schammel/Eric Schock
Spa : 10 Luc Lennertz/Mike Vreven
Ardennes : 09 Olivier Collard/André Toubon
Ardennes : 10 Christoph Schmitz (GER)/Thomas Dienberg (GER)
Rota do Sol : 06 Laurent Galiay/Thierry Galiay
Rota do Sol : 09 Ken Skidmore/Kevin Clark
Rota do Sol : 10 Carlos Fulgêncio/José Martins
Açores : 07 Jorge Félix/Sérgio Paiva
Rouergue : 02 Dominique Kremer/Emmanuel Debois
Turquia : 09 Hakan Severge/Murat Özsan
Cevennes : 02 Richard Thiery/Cyrille Chevron
Cevennes : 04 Guy Hoffeld/Alf Gaspar
Var : 02 Christian Astier/Martine Astier
Var : 08 Tony Margaria/Gabriele Clerici
1996:
Ardennes : 10 Jean Koutenko (LUX)/Carlo Goeres
Roménia : 07 Dan Gîrtofan/Anca Bobes
Açores/BCA : 06 Paulo Rego/Fernando Nunes
Algarve : 04 Gustavo Louro/Raúl Ventura
Algarve : 05 Alexandre Rebelo/José Pedro Silva

ERC 77
Saint Amand : Cancelled
ARBO : I have only 1st: Röhrl/Pitz (Porsche Carrera RSR)...
Lorraine I have only 1st : Francis Roussely/Christian Berguet – Porsche carrera RSR
Donegal:
1. #??? Billy Coleman (IRL)/Austin Frazer (GBR) - Lancia Stratos HF -
2. #??? Campbell (???)/Detlev Speer (???) - Porsche Carrera -
3. #??? Adrian Boyd (IRL)/Vole (???) - Porsche Carrera -
4. #??? David Agnew (GBR)/Robert Harkness (GBR) - BMW 2002 Tii -
5. #??? Bertie Fisher (IRL)/Ian Hughes (IRL) - Ford Escort RS2000 -

1975:
1/Polar Bergslags (I also have only top8), for 2nd place I have:
2. #??? Bror Danielsson (SWE)/Bo Sundberg (SWE) - Opel Ascona SR
1974 Firestone:
7. #??? Julio Gargallo (ESP)/Ignacio Lewin (ESP) - Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV -
8. #??? Juan Carlos Oñoro (ESP)/Juan Petisco (ESP) - Simca 1200-S -
9. #??? Paul Olsen (DNK)/Karsten Richardt (DNK) - BMW 2002 Tii -
10. #??? Christian Gardavot (FRA)/"Ynad" (FRA) - Alpine-Renault A110 -

1973 :
Last Wiesbaden Rally (Coupe des Alpes as well) was held in 1971
for the 1000 minuten rally last edition held in 1972!

in 1969 there was a Makes European Chpship with : Monte, Acropolis, 1000 Lakes, Coupe des Alpes, Baltic and Munchen-Wien-Budapest
I dont know if those rallys count to drivers ERC... for wich I have one more race than Janusz: Romanian Donau Rally from 31/7 to 3/8

Best regards
Américo

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Donegal:
1. #2 Billy Coleman (IRL)/Austin Frazer (GBR) - Lancia Stratos HF -
2. #7 SeanCampbell (???)/Pat Speer (???) - Porsche Carrera -
3. #8 Derek Boyd (IRL)/Rodney Cole (???) - Porsche Carrera -
4. #10 David Agnew (GBR)/Robert Harkness (GBR) - BMW 2002 Tii -
5. #18 Bertie Fisher (IRL)/Trevor Hughes (IRL) - Ford Escort RS2000 -

Donegal 77, 1st rally car I ever saw Billy Coleman's Chequered Flag Stratos, hooked on rallying since!!

Some were RESULTS : Rally Sweden 1968 - 1-10 th ,Rally Wisbaden 1968 - 6-10 th ,Rally Danube 1968 - 8-9 th ,Rally RAC 1968 - 1-10 th .

Pretty sure Sean Campbell GBR (only because I recall someone from IRL saying in 1972 he'd had to travel to the North to get a look at SC's Escort!).

Not that the FIA "GBR" is strictly correct for anyone from there!