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I think you may have hit the nail on the head there Re- tyres Gary.. that makes a lot of sense. Early in Jensons career when his budget was funded by his dad, financial constraints forced him to adopt his signiture super smooth driving style to make the tyres last as long as possible. The new tyres do seem to reward his driving style over a race distance and also in wet conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
So was Mansell. He sold his house and lived in the back of a Ford transit when he was coming up through the ranks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Money was tight and he drove poor equipment. This is where his aggressive style came from. He would run as little wing as possible to make up for lack of straightline speed and man handle the difference in the corners. He carried into F1. Never stopped him being regarded as one of the best drivers of his generation which had tyre wars hence soft compounds.
Take the 1986 Australian GP for instance. The haters say Mansell over drove the car when in fact Goodyear brought the wrong tyres.
Which reminds me. 2005 was supposed to be Jenson's year because of the ban on tyre stops and yet nothing truly special happened to make JB stand out.
Speak for yourself. I always believed he was one of the very best out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
What about 2008? The Honda was an absolute heap of turd and struggled to polish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Great in a good car, poor in a poor car. IMHO you're never considered a great unless you have allround ability.
He has had some shocking cars and stuck with them. Working quietly with the engineers back in Japan or doing his best dragging the sad sack of (beep) round the track. I never claimed he could do miracles in a car that just could not deliver like some people on here seem to do but you've been around here long enough to know I never lost faith and was sometimes a solitary voice on these hallowed boards :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Well, he outscored his team-mate 37:1. I think that is quite a special achievement. :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
I don't see, why is Button's past so easily dismissed. I would agree that he was struggling in 2007-08 in a bad car, but his 2004-06 seasons were pretty good. I remember Button was among the biggest point-scorers in the second half of 2006 in a car that clearly was not the fastest car in the field. How is that not an achievement? Button was performing well over a full season considering the cars and beating his team-mates. Like Alonso is doing now. Should we dismiss Alonso's skills right now just because he is in a bad car and not winning?
Taku as team mate then its hardly surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
:yawn: Excuses, excuses :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Until something happens, and he undergoes another mysterious conversion, whereby we are all expected to forget the opinion he held so passionately but hours before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I think the first signs we're back in 2003 and then 2004.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
He drove well for Williams in 2000, and was poor in an awful 2001 Benetton and solid again in the 2002 Renault.
But then 2003, I think it was in Austria he finished 4th and in with the top teams in his BAR and then he lead calmly in USA and Japan that season.
Then of course 2004 he scored 10 odd podiums and at times was the only man remotely close to Ferrari's (i.e Imola and Monza 2004) It was clear to me he was better than I originally thought.
But its true what people said he struggled in bad cars.
However I don't think anyone thought he would be one of the top F1 drivers. Even with his 6 wins in 2009 and a world championship people questioned him, however we have to admit he has been class and been equal to anyone and is in the frame to win another Championship should things go his way.