Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by PSfan

Well, I hate to say this, but in order to make sure the champagne and trophies don't end up in the wrong hands at the end of a race, then they would almost have to postpone the celebrations 3 hours every race to make sure the cars adhere to the rules after every race before declaring winners.

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I think it is reasonable to expect any decision that affects the outcome of a race to be made within 10 minutes of the chequered flag. Its not rocket science and quite incredible that there are not guidelines to that effect in place.

If the stewards can't make a decision based on immediately available evidence such as video footage then they should not levy a penalty that affects a race result.

I realise that gambling is not a primary consideration for F1 management but sport betting is a reality and the stewards should be aware that their decisions are under scrutiny because of it. I don't care if Lewis is penalised at the next race but I do care when the current race result appears to be arbitrarily altered.

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Look at the bright side, how often does a result change after the podium celebration? when was the last time (Prior to this weekends race) that it happened? I prefer this to Nascars taking a way points and fining drivers/teams/crewchiefs for cars that won a race that was way outside the rules.

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(They have taken away points in this instance, many many points.)

You are correct in saying that it doesn't happen in F1 very often which is why I am of the opinion that the stewards have made a balls up of this incident. They appear to have levied this penalty without really thinking it through.

There is a LOT of money being traded on F1 races and anyone who backed Lewis is probably justified in questioning the decision.

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Originally I thought it didn't make sense to strip a driver of a win on what was arguably a close call, but the more I look at the replays, the less close it looks to me...

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My personal belief is that the decision to award the race is made when the trophies are handed out and I honestly believe that taking back the trophy once its awarded is a shameful practice. I would also say that levying a penalty that only affects a points finisher is frankly ridiculous. :crazy:

It would be nice to think that any decision to change the result of a race is dealt with openly and expeditiously - I don't believe that either has occurred in this case yet. Just my opinion of course...

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Well he did, at the hairpin. But did he only manage to pass at the hairpin because he cut the chicane? Maybe, but did he go off at the chicane because of Kimi? Maybe.

Too many unanswerable questions and too many seconds penalties.

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Of course Kimi was very much part of the reason why he went off. But why should Kimi have yielded to a car that was not on the racing line and was not far enough in front to push Kimi wide? There have been a couple of times this year I'ev thought Lewis has been a bit ruthless with regards to the amount of space he's given other drivers but that's racing.....

This certainly puts a damper on what I thought was a brilliant last lap given the conditions. Its begining to sound like Ferrari has the stewards in their pocket. FIA has it in for McLaren.

There were several cars taking excursions in that section. I guess stewards were oblivious to the conditions as well. This is a farse.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

And , Lewis should have waited for the hill .

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But why? AFAIK there is no rule about how long a driver in Hamilton's situation has to wait before attempting a pass again. He allowed Kimi to recover the position as he is required to do and according to Charlie Whiting, an FIA official, that was fine.

The fact that Lewis was better on the brakes into La Source should not be a punishable offence IMHO.

Still, we will see 1) if the FIA allow an appeal to go ahead and 2) what the outcome of any appeal is.

I know I know..i said I would stop about it...But well...just watch this video from last season... Massa's pass at the end ? Did he get punished ? he not even gave back the position...


http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/10104/900/

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Of course Kimi was very much part of the reason why he went off. But why should Kimi have yielded to a car that was not on the racing line and was not far enough in front to push Kimi wide? There have been a couple of times this year I'ev thought Lewis has been a bit ruthless with regards to the amount of space he's given other drivers but that's racing.....

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But 25 seconds????? Do you seriously think that is justified?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Of course Kimi was very much part of the reason why he went off. But why should Kimi have yielded to a car that was not on the racing line and was not far enough in front to push Kimi wide? There have been a couple of times this year I'ev thought Lewis has been a bit ruthless with regards to the amount of space he's given other drivers but that's racing.....

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I actually agree with you.

The reason I posted the rules (which you are correct in saying that they are rubbish) is to prove the injustice of this all.

I like racing and have no problem with what Kimi done in closing the door. If they were wheel to wheel, then he would have to give him room but their wheels were interlocked instead.

Kimi closed the door and Lewis bailed to avoid an accident. Forget that if there was a barrier there, or a gravel trap or a inflaterable dildo then he wouldn't have gone for it because there wasn't. He had a punt, it didn't come off and good driving all round not to bend 2 cars.

Are we agreed at this point and disagree with the FIA rules?

So, Lewis bailed but made the pass.

If he hadn't given it back, he would have been bang to rights but HE DID.

When he let Kimi past, there was about a cars length between them until he outbraked into the next corner.

Can anyone tell me what advantage being in the slipstream has on Braking? None! Infact, the opposite. It cuts downforce in the dirty air and is one of the big problems in F1.

Come on Daniel. It's BS and you know it.

Look at the rules. There is nothing Lewis has done wrong and solid evidence against Kimi.

Now, I think they fought a great race and deserve applause for the spectacle they gave us. Not penalties and this cr4p.

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

I know I know..i said I would stop about it...But well...just watch this video from last season... Massa's pass at the end ? Did he get punished ? he not even gave back the position...


http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/10104/900/

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Not really much to say. :(

We know it's a fit up but as per normal, there is nothing that can be done as it's a corrupt governing body that favours Ferrari and penalises McLaren for the smallest reason. In fact, they have gone past using reason and are making things up.

Anyone seen "Escape to Victory"

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Originally Posted by ICKE

I dont know if this has already been posted but :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70rXr2Mkq_M

Here is proof that Hamilton did not slow down one bit after cutting that chicane. Just watch and listen, the evidence is clear.

Besides : The race stewards are able to view the telemetry after the race. It's not exactly hard to see if Hamilton did or did not lift his foot from the gas pedal now is it?

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Now thats twisting the facts, did you actually listen to the engine note at all? Hamilton is clearly no where near full throtle coming out of that chicane, as can be heard from how slowly the revs are rising compared to normal, and for a couple dozen meters afterwards as well. You can also see just how crap that Ferrari is on the brakes.

Hamiltons a racer, by no means does he have to let his opponent get clean away, and as far as I know the rules only mention "gaining an advantage" which is quite obviously open to a wide variety of interpritations.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

according to Charlie Whiting, an FIA official, that was fine.

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Charlie Whiting is the FIA Technical director. He is not a race steward.

You might as well say that your granny said it was fine. It makes no effing difference.

But, once again, you look at everything except the actual fact.

Yesterday once again restored my faith in the FIA as the only people suitable to run Formula One. If it wasn't for them, the typical bully-boy deceit and dishonest non-integrity based tactics of Ron Dennis's team would whitewash everything just as they have done the reactionary English media.