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Honestly, do all these clubs have a minimum set number of members?! If each club has a minimum of say 10 millions and one country has 2 and the other 10 than I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
But what if in OZ they have 5 clubs of 1 million members while in China they have 1 club of 100.000.000?! What then?!
Allow me to cite you:
"anybody?
Beuller.........
Beuller.........
Beuller.........
anybody.......
;) "
:p :
Anyway I'm just glad that justice was done and he didn't have to resign because of extra-marital affairs.
See ya all in another thread! ;)
TTFN. :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
What part of gassing very large numbers of people based on their faith do you find humorous?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
There is being able to move on from something, and being offended by something.
I suspect ADAC had to make the stand not directly because of Germany's history, but because of Max's inference that BMW and Mercedes were directly involved of their own volition during WWII.
Anyway, we've digressed way off the beaten track, again. Wainwright would be proud! ;)
i'm not surprised and i don't know why anybody else is, either.
max wouldn't have called the vote if he didn't absolutely know he would win it.
as i predicted a couple of weeks ago on the other Mosley-related thread, max won the vote on the strength of the unrepresentative FIA voting structure and the big clubs from the big countries will bugger off and form their own organisation, leaving max until the end of his term in 2009 to spend McLaren's $100 mill on his supporting countries.
amongst the countries likely to have voted against mosley - because their federations signed official letters demanding his resignation - include (as mentioned by Knock-On a while back):
USA (AAA and AATA),
Singapore (AAS),
Germany (ADAC),
Finland, (AL),
Canada (CAA),
Brazil (CCB),
Denmark (FDM),
France (FFA),
India (FIAA),
Japan (JAF),
the Netherlands (KNAC),
Sweden (M),
Hungary (MAK),
Israel (MEMSI),
Austria (OEMTC),
Spain (RACC and RACE),
Belgium (TCB)
Switzerland (TCS),
Russia.
Bernie will side with the breakaway, because if you add Monaco, you've got a solid championship base already.
Singapore, Germany, Hungary, Spain, Belgium, Canada, Brazil and Japan already hosting a Grand Prix (Germany and Japan are both easily and historically capable of hosting two), while Russia and India are both dead keen to get one anyway.
It's a reasonable championship already and the Muslim-dominated countries (Bahrain, Turkey and Malaysia) plus Australia and China would almost certainly come with them.
Rule out Switzerland, because by law, you cannot hold a car race there.
then, at the end of 2009, mosley will depart. he will not seek another term because, with the bigger clubs gone, their earning power will be gone as well, and so will everything inside the cash tin in the FIA's headquarters. And why would max want to be looking at an empty biscuit tin? his successor can clean that mess up.
While F1 may find its groove without the FIA, the World Rally Championship and the WTCC have less certain futures, neither of them being commercially strong enough to wander off on their own, neither of them being commercially strong enough to warrant the attentions of B Ecclestone.
Look for these two sports, in particular, to become the outlet for some of the voting payoffs, with people from countries you've never heard of being appointed stewards and new events in countries loyal to max.
I'd also like to see somebody auditing airfares and accommodation costs from the FIA (though they've learned a thing or two off the IOC, so it'll be a few layers deep), because this is another way the payoff will happen.
(and, ioan, china and india have a fraction of the cars in the US or the UK, for that matter, and a fraction of the licenced drivers, so they would not have a 4-1 voting advantage over the US. it's the other way around, and then some.)
it's a sad, predictable day. we stand on the brink of a schism the likes of which the sport we all love has never seen.
Regardless of what anybody thinks about privacy issues and whether somebody's personal life should be aired in public, the fact remains that up until this afternoon, only one man could have stopped this from happening.
Cometh the hour, cometh the man. And he didn't.
the only conclusion you can draw from it is that a man with a deep love of the sport (and the rest of the FIA's responsibilities) could have, for the sake of the sport, averted the worst yet to come.
The FIA is not just motorsport and max knows (and if i knew they would break away two weeks ago, he surely did) that without the money from the bigger countries, any FIA road-safety initiatives will not be seen through, either.
yet he still placed his pride above the that which he purports to love and feel responsible for.
Karma, where art thou?
Australia has one club, the AAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
it is the peak body for the state clubs (RACQ, NRMA, RACV, RACT etc).
china does not have 100,000,000 people with licences. while it's accelerating, its annual new car sales last year were about the same as Australia's.
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Originally Posted by ioan
i wouldn't have thought telling nazi or jewish jokes was a bright idea in romania, either, given that their slaughter of jews was so extreme that the nazis had to send Eichmann down there - of all people - to put a stop to it.
This simplistic assesment is neither accurate nor productive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The voting result proves, how powerful Max is. It looks like he got votes from those, for who his continuance is beneficial (smaller organizations?). Money talks, you know. Max is a true specialist at law and he uses this knowledge perfectly to keep his seat. Alas his knowledge is not that beneficial for the interest of autosport in general.
I don't think the scandal was a direct reason for this voting procedure and all this sudden dissatisfaction with Max by those, who are engaged with autosport. More likely it's only an impulse, which indeed has magnified all the previously accumulated tensions.
Yep, I pretty much agree with all that. However, there are options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey T
IF there is a break-away, then I see things going the way you say. It will be damaging for everyone involved and the good work that the FIA does will be severly compromised. There will be a lot of collatoral damage but a leaner, meaner FIA (or whatever it's called then) will emerge.
But, there is a 3rd way.
MM must know now that he cannot survive and continue. He would be foolish to try as he will be thwarted at every term. He may hold onto his position but it is a hollow role. There is a possibility he may bow out, stating he has proved himself with the vote but now feels it the correct time to focus on clearing his name with the NOTW.
We can just hope now he's had his ego massaged by the "monkeys at the back" that he decides to quit.