M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

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Originally Posted by TypeR

Why is ford hurting you so much? :D (mknight)

Ford won 2017 drivers and manus championship..
+ 18' WDC, can't really complain..

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put Ogier or Tänak in Fiesta today and they will win stages/rallies with it..

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Past is past we are talking about now and future.

How do you explain Evans in Fiesta vs Toyota and comparably Lappi on podiums with Citroen and nowhere with Fiesta?

Both is 2019 vs 2020, the latest comparison possible as there were no driver changes from last year.


The most likely explanation is MSport not having money for testing/development. For example before Estonia 2020 they seemingly did zero development and no testing.

Ogier and Tanak winning rallies with zero testing sounds funny. Just a week ago Ogier said his bad performance on Ypres was partly cause he was testing on wrong type of road .


MSport can have genious designers, but little money only gets you so far.


I am not trying to say that MSport are bad, but I do challenge the "automatic" assumption that Puma will be one of the fastest cars. It might, but there is little guarantee.

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Originally Posted by mknight

Just a week ago Ogier said his bad performance on Ypres was partly cause he was testing on wrong type of road .

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You have to be critical about the wrong type of road comment. This has been used since Latvala became the team boss. This is just a silly excuse. For example after Artic we heard the same thing.

Yes but in this case it was true, the tested on a road which was just completely flat out, no bends where shifting down was necessary. It's like doing your test on an airfield. Difficult to test your setup for the tricky bends and junctions of Ypres like that.

In Arctic it felt more like they made a strategic decision to do a part of the test in Jyväskylä, where they can test without spending their yearly test days, and it was the wrong call.

didnt they test at both locations? Jyväskylä and also Arctic?

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

didnt they test at both locations? Jyväskylä and also Arctic?

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Yes

Right, it went like this: Toyota tested in Jyväskylä and Rovaniemi, Hyundai tested in Rovaniemi and did a winter rally in Estonia. The tests in Jyväskylä and Rovaniemi were in -20 C, whereas the rally in Estonia was close to zero temperatures, which was how Arctic Rally Finland turned out as well, that's how Hyundai got their advantage.

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc...et-up-mistake/

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Right, it went like this: Toyota tested in Jyväskylä and Rovaniemi, Hyundai tested in Rovaniemi and did a winter rally in Estonia. The tests in Jyväskylä and Rovaniemi were in -20 C, whereas the rally in Estonia was close to zero temperatures, which was how Arctic Rally Finland turned out as well, that's how Hyundai got their advantage.

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc...et-up-mistake/

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Not only that but Hyundai also managed to get rid of rear bumpers thus saving weight

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Suninen leaves M-Sport...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sunin...ediate-effect/

A good choice, Fiesta is not a car to be competitve to others, no reason to stay...

If they found a solution to be in other teams... A good choice. Lets see, we get the news when Teemu starts another team ...

Breen to drive Ford for two years....