you are spot on, and people who knock him as he only drove Citroen, remember how much devolopement he did for Citroen, he is the man that worked with the team to make them what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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you are spot on, and people who knock him as he only drove Citroen, remember how much devolopement he did for Citroen, he is the man that worked with the team to make them what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I agree..
Dont get me wrong Loebs a great driver, but suggesting he stomped through that list of drivers. Stomped is a bit of a exaggeration.
Sure he got the best of Gronholm and Hirvonen fair and square.
But during Loebs tenure:
He beat an ageing Carlos Sainz who was in his winding down years? Was that the Carlos of the early 90s or 97-98?
Colin Mcrae who had one year with a Citroen team he struggled to fit in to. Then two rallys for Skoda.
Burns who was up against Loeb for one year before his illness.
Makinen who was winding down things. Not the Tommi we saw from 1996-1999.
Panizzi? - Come on!
Petter had a good car for one, maybe two years (03-04) then the Subaru wilderness years. And now hes got a car with Citroen 'hand me down' bits on it.
You cant compare Loeb with Colin, Carlos and Tommi. They were from an era where the best drivers got the best drives. Not because your dad was Malcom Wilson or your Spanish investor put the money up.
Different cars, different eras. You cant compare Colin with Salonen or Toivanen. Nor Salonen with Timo Makinen.
Loebs a great, one of the best. But I just dont think you can say the greatest.
It probably wont happen. But to see him up against a Latvala with the 'Wilson shackles' released, or a Ogier in his prime. Now then rallying would be back!
for every win there are 100 excuses and for every loss a million.....
incompetence of the human race never fails to amaze me....
the fact that he managed to DOMINATE for almost decade shows he is the best ever..
you have 2 posts too many.
Everyones entitled to there opinion. I didn't realize i had to reach my 10,000 posts quota for my opinion to count. No need to start slagging someones viewpoint.
Welcome to the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwitahi
Next year i think Ogier could end up champion, less tarmac events, so it should be great. Really depends on any mechanical issues with the DS3 and Focus
its not about post count..its about post intelligence....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwitahi
to come in here and diminishing EVERY opponent Loeb has ever faced its just shows bias...
He is the greatest...either you don't want it....disagree with it....pose against t...or not.
I think he had some good points, and there`s always two ends on a stick. Loeb is the gratest, no competitiion there, but N.O.T must admit that he was very lucky to be in the right place in the right time.
Well, Loeb is ONE of the gratest, no doubt. But his superior is not bigger than the old drivers named from other eras. That´s also for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
And N.O.T you should win a great deal of respect if you talked more humble.
Wait, i just don't understand ... Loeb being lucky? Lucky for being the best driver that rallying has ever seen (by achievements)?
What about Mäkinen's 4 championships in a row? The field of top drivers was even narrower at his peak time. Somehow he was never so dominating as Loeb.
Or maybe Kankkunen was lucky cause he could beat other drivers 4 times?
C'mon guys, Loeb has destroyed every opponent by a margin. Drivers have come and gone but he has been better than the rest by huge difference. Some say it's the car, some say it's the opponents - we never know because he has destroyed every driver there is.
If you think that being lucky is to have that kind of talent, then YES, i agree with you. Loeb is the best driver in rallying EVER! If you do not believe it, then look at the numbers. Times change, cars change, rallys change, drivers change, but nobody in rallying history has been so dominant.