That information makes what you said previously even more ridiculous...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
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That information makes what you said previously even more ridiculous...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I think You didn't get the point. Let's see if Ogier even continues next year. I don't bet on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Imo one of his (remaining) motivation points was to "beat" Loeb, but not necessarily in number of titles. You could clearly see how his motivation in Mexico went up 300% when Loeb was ahead after Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
He has already won titles with different manufacturers unlike Loeb and this year he has beaten Loeb directly in 2 rallies (in Mexico Loeb got puncture just as Ogier was closing on him and in Corsica Loeb crashed from behind Ogier).
So if he also beats Loeb in Catalunya and gets a new title. It's quite possible he'll leave.
On the other hand I also think there might be a (very) slim hope of him going to Citroen if Breen/others finish on podium in 1-2 more rallies and Citroen goes in properly. Also considering that Matton is now gone.
You're not considering the amount of millions he gets every year if he drives.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Imo if he will stop it will not be because of his choice but because other will not sign him.
I wonder why nobody would do that btw, Mirek what makes you think nobody wants to sign him?
And why should he want to leave M-Sport? Seems to be performing quite well. Money...well, i believe he has it already, he can use part of it to make it grow in an easier way. Family life and risk vs motivation to compete and be the best is another subject.
Nothing. I believe he is thinking about to stop himself. Of course I may be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
I think he is only half-satisfied with the amount of "factory support" M-Sport has, since he was so vocal about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Reason why teams did not sign him in summer 2017:
- his speed during most of 2017 was not impressive at all, no real dominant win, 2017 Monte was after Neuville crashed, 2017 Portugal while better he was still slower than Tanak before Tanak got the issues
=> This, combined with how he refused them at end of 2016 and Tanak being from Estonia made Toyota sign Tanak
- Hyundai had 3 drivers at that point and certainly not enough money to pay Ogier, I guess they got Mikkelsen cheap
- so Citroen was only real option which somehow did not work.
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Now going towards Finland (and negotiations time it's quite different):
- both in Mexico and Corsica he has shown he still has the speed
(- Toyota might still not want him since they have Tanak)
- Hyundai can be interested depending how negotiations with Neuville go
- Citroen might be an option again and now the car is seemingly decent on most surfaces
No way; if Ogier was really serious about leaving he’d have done it last year, after proving he can win with any car. Rosberg shocking retirement made him doubt for a while (his own words on a couple of interviews) but it looks he got over it. Most likely he’ll continue at Ford, until the day Mr. Toyoda finally decides to cover him with yens…Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I don't see why he would quit. He's not that old, he's still the best and he can make millions be doing what he likes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
so if he beats the retired Loeb 3 times,he is better and has prooved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
3 wins against a retired champion= equals 4 championships(some against Ogier lololol)
question now
When Loeb beat him at same car/team 20 times, how many Ogiers championships equals that?
I think Ogier's fans are much more obsessed than him about breaking Loeb's record. I think he'll be in the WRC next year but I wouldn't be shocked to see him retire at the end of this season, especially if he wins the title again.
Obviously you are turning things around. Based on Ogier's behavior with Loeb around this year I'd say:Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
a) he feels he has nothing to prove against "current" drivers
b) he still feels he has something to prove against Loeb
=> Beating Loeb in anything is more worth for him. But Ogier does not look like interested in driving for 10 titles.
But, surprisingly, he can't change past and he can't make Loeb younger when fighting with him now.
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Also, while catchy 1-line lolz are fun it's not like Ogier left Citroen as a beaten dog, he had same number of wins in his last season there as Loeb. Even with all the "priority" driver arguments and issues including the famous "technical issues" and "deliberate" crashing in GB. Also as some Ogier fans point you, it's even possible to say that Loeb left after 2012 cause he was afraid of Ogier coming in VW.
I am not a very big of either and find it very hard to compare them. If anything i rate Loeb higher because of he improved from 2002 to 2004.Just trying to understand Ogier's motivation.
i didnt change something.Just asked a question based at what you wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
we cant change past,but very easy we can say for past, that Loeb run away because he scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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Yes they had same number of wins when Loeb cleaned the road all the year.But now he moans that he is handiccaped and is NOT fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Probably it was much more fair when Loeb cleaned,he closed the splits,and he had nothing to loose with manager pushing him.
championships doesnt count wins but points.And he lost,even to Hirvonen who came 2nd this year.
you forget the hidden splits from Ogier,and the push from the laughable team manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
.we have listen more stupid excuses,even from non Ogier fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Never mind.
They just found this discussion...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXnP-vrW4AAxcoL.jpg
BS, troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But now I do recall how you repeatedly called Ogier a liar when he said he remembered it was safe to go out in the field on that corner in Monte 2017. You know, on a stage that is a few kms from his hometown, was ran for 2nd time that day and was ran years before as well.
Kinda sets things into perspective.
https://killyourdarlings.com.au/wp-c...90de8b5bc9.jpg
of course he was lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
There is no driver that trying to gain 0,1 sec he will risk to exit the road ''because he was remember the place is safe''
And You're rally fan for how many years?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
too early to ask these questions.First you have to excel your math.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
But we're discussing rally drivers, I'm not one.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
EDIT: But if You're so curious about my Mathematics skills, ask the company I'm working for, as obviously You discredit all the university professors.
Says the guy who said that Ogier is the best rally driver since 2008, ironic :DQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Anyway, it's plausible that Ogier, since he knew that place, thought: there are no walls, there are no ditches, here is a place in which I can feel confident to attack, nothing bad will happen if I arrive slightly long / go too much on the outside - THAT I believe. Instead if we're supposed to believe that Ogier knew that even if he arrived way too long and spun out in a field, he wouldn't have damaged his car at all, then no. If you spin in a field, you can always get a puncture or something worse. Nobody is able to tell "that field looks smooth, if I spin in it nothing bad will happen", not even if Ogier was the farmer cultivating that field.
In any case, this is Citroen WRT topic...
I never said he is the best since 2008, don't quote me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Yes, and why we're still discussing Ogier in this topic?Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
"last 10 years or so he is the best driver around", copied and pasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
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Originally Posted by focus206
Yes this is the one, thanks.
You're welcome. I'll also let you know that your sentence is equivalent to say that Ogier is the best rally driver since 2008, which you denied minutes ago. Anyway, your trolling attempts are quite weak, I don't know what kind of enjoyment you find in them, but as you wish...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I'm not trolling, just little bored of the endless Loeb vs Ogier discussion. I'm not a fan of either, but it's getting tedious, honestly. History is history, statistics is statistics, a medium level man of intelligence would understand this and not bother with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
a medium intelligence man would also know that 2018 - 10 is 2008...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Guys ...
Tommi Mäkinen says "the [Autosport] information is wrong. Kris Meeke is not coming to the Toyota team" https://www.hs.fi/urheilu/art-200000...6.html?ref=rss
well that was obvious even without the makinen confirmation...
Well certain Mr Kankkunen did win Championship with 3 different brands...
Some people say that Ogier is better than Loeb because he (Ogier) has win it with 2 ;)
I strongly believe that what other drivers have done, means nothing when Ogier is making his decisions.
So Ogier only needs to go to Toyota and try to win with a third one. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
I don't believe anyone will ever repeat Loeb's achievements in WRC (9 titles), and remains the best in my eyes. But I definitely prefer the current situation when every rally is interesting to follow.
A year testing followed by a comeback with Skoda sounds better to me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dnb
with some rallies with P O L O R 5 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Sounds like something a five-time reigning champion isn`t interested in...
You got a point. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Citroën confirms WRC future - https://t.co/OoRQzrF6Ei https://t.co/2BtJtyBrEe
Great news! Now, let's hope they find decent driver :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
great to see that arab advertising billboard to stay for two more years... exciting !!!!
If they can't get a top driver will they still carry on?
Define "Top Driver" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS