Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

this would be a disaster and I cant help feel that Ron has not been given the full facts. The FIA and Ferrari should give Ron the evidence they have if it looks like McLaren have a case to answer otherwise what grounds have the FIA in charging McLaren.

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Rest assured the FIA already told McLaren on what basis they are accused. Otherwise how would they be supposed to defend themselves?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Rest assured the FIA already told McLaren on what basis they are accused. Otherwise how would they be supposed to defend themselves?

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link please.

At the moment, Ron is making some pretty catagoric statements about this that suggest he firmly believes McLaren have no case to answer and is bloody dissapointed that these charges have been levelled. I dont have a link for this but it will come out soon.

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

At the moment, Ron is making some pretty catagoric statements about this that suggest he firmly believes McLaren have no case to answer and is bloody dissapointed that these charges have been levelled. I dont have a link for this but it will come out soon.

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"McLaren is extremely disappointed to note that it has been asked by the FIA to answer a charge of being in possession of certain documents and confidential information belonging to Ferrari.

Whilst McLaren wishes to continue its full co-operation with any investigation into this matter, it does wish to make it very clear that the documents and confidential information were only in the possession of one currently suspended employee on an unauthorised basis and no element of it has been used in relation to McLaren's Formula One cars."

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60741

So the charge against the team is "being in possession of certain documents and confidential information belonging to Ferrari".

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60741

So the charge against the team is "being in possession of certain documents and confidential information belonging to Ferrari".

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sorry Arrows, I didn't realise this had been officially commented on.

Thanks

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The Italian investigators looking into Nigel Stepney's activities at Ferrari are not expecting to reveal full details of what the mysterious white powder at the centre of the sabotage claims surrounding him until the start of next month.

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60755

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

link please.

At the moment, Ron is making some pretty catagoric statements about this that suggest he firmly believes McLaren have no case to answer and is bloody dissapointed that these charges have been levelled. I dont have a link for this but it will come out soon.

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You mean you believe that someone is brought in front of the court without him and his lawyers being informed what is it all about?

As for Ron, what were you expecting him to do? Publicly acknowledge that they did something wrong? The guy can't even accept when his cars are slower than others on the track.

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Originally Posted by icsunonove

Hmm.. so it's gone up to 780 pages now. And what about this gem?

"And should it be proved that he had knowledge of the Ferrari F2007, including what the FIA has said is: "information that could be used to design, engineer, build, check, test, develop and/or run a 2007 Ferrari Formula One car', then that could have very important implications on the case."

Really?, design, engineer, build, check, test, develop and/or run a 2007 Ferrari. All with 780 pages of documentation?. Not likely, the Haynes manual for my VW Golf must have close to 300 pages and that doesn't include any software source code. Looks like a conspiracy to me.

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Uhh, I thought all the cars have the same software now.

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Originally Posted by ioan

You mean you believe that someone is brought in front of the court without him and his lawyers being informed what is it all about?

As for Ron, what were you expecting him to do? Publicly acknowledge that they did something wrong? The guy can't even accept when his cars are slower than others on the track.

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from what Ive heard, there has not been full disclosure to Ron. I think this centres around this afadavit from Mike and what it contains. this is the smoking gun.

Ron is adamant that they have done nothing wrong and has basically put his word on this. the problem is that if he hasn't been told the truth, he's going to look like he's made a false statement.

as for Rons integrity, I don't think you will find anyone in the world of F1 that will cast aspersions on that. disgruntled fans from oposing teams but anyone who knows him will freely admit he is professional, driven, hard but firm and a man of integrity.

Can't wait till it all pans out and I get to plaster it all over the Hamilton wikipedia, like the british idiot editors like go on for paragraphs for schumacher doing the most silly things. (passing Damon "no talent" Hill during the parade lap, for instance).

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Originally Posted by Hendersen

Can't wait till it all pans out and I get to plaster it all over the Hamilton wikipedia, like the british idiot editors like go on for paragraphs for schumacher doing the most silly things. (passing Damon "no talent" Hill during the parade lap, for instance).

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you're quite sad really aren't you?

this is something that is affecting the sport of F1 and could lead to long term damage within F1 but you just want to gloat and score little points.

If McLaren were involved in this, then the FIA needs to take firm action against them but as with a lot of the rumours surrounding Ferrari, lets just hope this is unfounded.