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17th December 2011, 05:41
garyshell

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

It's not the point of attaining a lap record its what a lap record represents!!!

If the point of a lap record is not attaining a lap record then what DOES it represent? Once again if you think the only thing that matters is top speed, go to the Salt Flats.

Gary
17th December 2011, 05:45
SarahFan

And what constitutes 'competitive' is purely subjective ... What you call 'pack Racing' produced a string of the closest finishes in racing history and wad lauded by the original irelians and the greatest raving on the planet ...

Yet the sport is on deaths door

New and lost fans and Mai stream media won't give a damn until the sport becomes relevant again ... And that starts with speed .... And a new track record at the speedway IMO

The sport is stuck in 1997
17th December 2011, 15:45
fan-veteran

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Originally Posted by &quot

What I have said is that even though the new car seems to be flawed from the original concept it is not necessarily the end of the world.

Yes, without sarcasm really, something like the "new" cars for 1997 season - slow, but it was not the end.

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Originally Posted by &quot

I want to see cars that are faster on the straights and slower in the turns (ie: harder to drive) and this might or might not result in "A New Lap Record"

Me too. I had already written about that. Even without new lap records above 240mph.

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Originally Posted by &quot

Pack racing is wonderful in FV and some other places, but has no place at the top rung of American racing - whether IndyCar or NASCAR.

But ... the geometry of 1.5 mile high banking ovals (more than 20deg of banking) today allows flatout laps even with very little downforce. Those ovals were simply designed for "pack racing".
17th December 2011, 16:06
Loneranger

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Originally Posted by garyshell

If the point of a lap record is not attaining a lap record then what DOES it represent? Once again if you think the only thing that matters is top speed, go to the Salt Flats.

Gary

THE PINNACLE!!! That is what it represents. Do you not understand that the current Dallara, or the DW12 are not only measured against other cars around the world, they are also measured against all those cars that are sitting in that museum at 16th and Georgetown.

The point of a lap record is a tangible piece of evidence that the boundaries are being pushed. I don't care if the lap records come at Indy, Long Beach or Toronto! The lap record represents progress.
17th December 2011, 16:11
Loneranger

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Originally Posted by Starter

I have never advocated slowing the cars down. They should go as fast as the engineers & drivers can make them go. What I have said is that even though the new car seems to be flawed from the original concept it is not necessarily the end of the world. There are other ingredients just as important in the overall package. I want to see cars that are faster on the straights and slower in the turns (ie: harder to drive) and this might or might not result in "A New Lap Record". I want to see cars that you or I couldn't, with some practice, get in and make the field. I want to see races that are decided by who is the better driver & team and not who got the last draft. Pack racing is wonderful in FV and some other places, but has no place at the top rung of American racing - whether IndyCar or NASCAR. And the new car is, IMO, a step in the right direction. I do not believe it is the end point, but as I said earlier, the financial realities being what they are it's what we've got for now and all the complaining in the world isn't going to change THAT fact.

I'm not dismissing any of that. Harder to drive cars though come from faster cars plain and simple. Otherwise all you are doing is artificially making them more difficult to drive and if that is the case we can just go the F1 route and mandate that the tire supplier make a tire that degrades quickly. But that doesn't solve the underlying problem which is that fans want to see the best drivers in the world racing the fastest baddest assed cars in the world.

The DW12 is far from that. Not even close. It's uninspiring, its boring, it's evidently SLOW, it solves nothing. But Gary seems to think it will be more driveable so that should solve all Indy Cars problems! Yippee.
17th December 2011, 16:14
Loneranger

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Oh man this is just too easy. They all did it for one reason, to beat the competition and win a championship. It sure as hell wasn't to set a "neeeeeeeeew laaaaaaap record". In case you hadn't noticed there is no racing series that awards a championship to the car with the fastest speed, not even the NHRA. Oh wait, I'm sorry there are two, both run at Bonneville. Those are the SCTA and USFRA.

Gary

How do you beat the competition Gary?
17th December 2011, 16:16
Loneranger

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Who said ANYTHING about "purposefully slowing the car down"? What has been called for be me and in case you hadn't noticed MANY of the drivers in the series is to take away the 100% throttle "racing". And how are they suggesting that be done? By increasing horsepower and decreasing downforce. If a side effect of that is the cars are slower, who gives a rats ass. If raw speed is YOUR measuring stick go watch drag racing or go to Bonneville (and take your snide homophobic remarks with you). The measure of this form of racing is on track competition.

Gary

Great! Do it then.

But guess what, that isn't what is being done and you seem to be okay with it.
17th December 2011, 16:19
SarahFan

I agree pretty much 100%

But my point all all along has been none of that is going to entice main stream
Media to step up take notice and heavily report on it?

At the end of the day unless your already a diehard fan (which we all are) you do all you advocate and the sport still will be perceived as stuck in 1997 and not worthy of attention

IMO of coarse... Ymmv..... But ratings attendance rotating schedules pay drivers and second rate sponsors suggest I'm correct
l

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starter

I have never advocated slowing the cars down. They should go as fast as the engineers & drivers can make them go. What I have said is that even though the new car seems to be flawed from the original concept it is not necessarily the end of the world. There are other ingredients just as important in the overall package. I want to see cars that are faster on the straights and slower in the turns (ie: harder to drive) and this might or might not result in "A New Lap Record". I want to see cars that you or I couldn't, with some practice, get in and make the field. I want to see races that are decided by who is the better driver & team and not who got the last draft. Pack racing is wonderful in FV and some other places, but has no place at the top rung of American racing - whether IndyCar or NASCAR. And the new car is, IMO, a step in the right direction. I do not believe it is the end point, but as I said earlier, the financial realities being what they are it's what we've got for now and all the complaining in the world isn't going to change THAT fact.
17th December 2011, 18:34
Oli_M

I may have been wrong, but I thought I saw that during the recent tests at ?Mid Ohio? that the new cars matched the pole time from this year? If I can find the article I'll dig it up, unless anyone else remembers seeing this too?

I think that whilst the internet is great for spreading news quickly, which can potentially be great for the sport, it also means that news such as this spreads quickly too. Otherwise we could just be in a position where we know none of the lap times from any of the testing, we watch the first race from St Pete and the pole time is 1.5 seconds quicker than 2011. "Wow, the new car is quick!" would have been everyone's response.
18th December 2011, 00:20
anthonyvop

When was the last time a lap record was broken in F1?

They seem to have no problem growing their series.

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