Should f1 run coupes?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

No, I don't believe it is. You say that some people cannot make a reasonable argument, and yet you talk about "the moaners...whinging like bitches". That's not a good way to characterise those you disagree with.

Anyway...Your argument seems straightforward: Introducing closed cockpits would improve safety.

What is the safety record of other racing series that have closed cockpits such as saloon cars and sports cars? Is it measurably better than F1?

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Comapring Apples to Oranges though isn't it - the major problem of Daniel's argument was an odd straw man: Look at this sportscar accident, if that had been F1 they wouldn't have walked away.

F1 and Sportscars aren't comparable for a number of factors. Then it descended into "F1 has to be open wheel" arguments which sort of missed the entire crux of the matter: safety. F1 as it stands today is safer than its ever been and you can't legislate for every single factor than may or may not occur during a 2 hour race.

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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer

Comapring Apples to Oranges though isn't it - the major problem of Daniel's argument was an odd straw man: Look at this sportscar accident, if that had been F1 they wouldn't have walked away.

F1 and Sportscars aren't comparable for a number of factors. Then it descended into "F1 has to be open wheel" arguments which sort of missed the entire crux of the matter: safety. F1 as it stands today is safer than its ever been and you can't legislate for every single factor than may or may not occur during a 2 hour race.

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I guess you're new to F1 and open wheel racing then? What about Henry Surtees or Felipe Massa? If you take the time to look at the video you'll see that Henry would have almost certainly survived his incident if an jet style canopy were fitted. Massa probably would have walked away from his incident also, rather than taking months to recouperate.

Daniel,

What is your position on karting and safety, just as a amatter of interest?

Daniel, while you're thinking about that would you care to answer my question as well.

Is the safety record of other racing series that have closed cockpits such as saloon cars and sports cars measurably better than F1?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Daniel,

What is your position on karting and safety, just as a amatter of interest?

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How much do kart tyres/wheels weigh?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

How much do kart tyres/wheels weigh?

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I have no idea, but that wasn't the question, was it?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Daniel, while you're thinking about that would you care to answer my question as well.

Is the safety record of other racing series that have closed cockpits such as saloon cars and sports cars measurably better than F1?

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That sort of question is impossible to answer and the answer itself would be misleading. Another series may have a lower budget, may run on tracks which are less safe, may have less skilled drivers.......

The fact that the FIA is looking at this suggests that the FIA see some merit in having an enclosed cockpit and tbh that means more than the opinions of some people on a forum.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Another series may have a lower budget, may run on tracks which are less safe.

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:confused: Are you linking budgets to safety now, and are you suggesting unsafe tracks are allowed........ :Zowey Cavey:

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'd say a kilo to a kilo and a half per wheel. Bear in mind that karts can do 80mph and have no seat belts and a human body being flung into a tyre wall at that speed is more dangerous than most forms of motorsport. I would guess more people have died karting in the last 10 years than in 30 years of F1, but thats a guess.

I do think its abit rich of you to call people like me moaners because we enjoy watching open cockpit racing and don't have the answers that you want to hear. I've given detailed reasons for my stance yet earlier in this thread you mocked me and told me my answers were not good enough. You also tried to act as moderator at one point I do believe. Lets take this latest news for what it is and take interest in the possibility. I do think canopies will restrict the drivers view, steam up and cause more harm than good if I'm honest. Tear off strips on windscreens might be impossible too so I'd be interested to hear how drivers can keep their field of vision clear with these new methods.

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The Le Mans prototypes have tear off strips. That said you'd need a wiper to run in the rain possibly.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm sure the teams could come up with some pretty ingenious wiper designs seeing how much care is taken to make an F1 car as aerodynamic as possible. Plus with the cars being so streamline with immense downforce, small objects like wipers would have to be fixed with great care or we'd also have an opening for more objects causing danger whilst racing. For example wipers going through drivers windscreens lol. I'm sure we'll see more on this in the coming weeks and they won't be as ridiculous as they sound or look in the testing vid. :)

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Of course. I somehow doubt we'll be seeing this next year or the year after if it ever does come to F1. By which time I'm sure that everything that should be taken into consideration will have been taken into consideration.