Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Indeed - the way some of these (don't laugh) 'professional' footballers dive, you'd imagine that, if you dug a whole in the pitch and put some hair round it, theyd start licking it too...... :laugh:

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and IMHO anyone caught diving when there is obviously no contact should be banned for a few matches. I've nothing against Hamilton or footballers. I just think that Football would be better if there was more football and racing would be better without amateur hour antics as we saw this weekend from Hamilton.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Indeed - the way some of these (don't laugh) 'professional' footballers dive, you'd imagine that, if you dug a whole in the pitch and put some hair round it, theyd start licking it too...... :laugh:

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LMAO!

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Of course it’s not the same and obviously in F1 a certain set of rules can’t be made, there are two many possible scenarios that can be played out but there needs to be more consistent policing of the rules or else we need the same stewards race after race that will make consistent decisions. The way it is right now I doubt even the drivers know what they can and can’t do and they are discouraging overtaking and in time that will ruin the show.

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How would it (or wouldn't it) work, if an incident is presided over by all the drivers bar those involved, and a consensus of opinion derived like that, with a clear written statement from each driver supporting their decision?

Obviously, the decision being derived after the race!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Daniel, have you become a born again Lewis supporter, or is this just the cynic in you 'avin' a lark'? ;)

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I supported him when he was first in F1, but tbh he's been involved in too many incidents for me too be a "fan" as such :) That said I've never been the sort of person who has a favourite drive in F1 :)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

How would it (or wouldn't it) work, if an incident is presided over by all the drivers bar those involved, and a consensus of opinion derived like that, with a clear written statement from each driver supporting their decision?

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Too much to gain there though. Imagine if the driver 2nd in the championship had the chance to penalise vettel.....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

and IMHO anyone caught diving when there is obviously no contact should be banned for a few matches. I've nothing against Hamilton or footballers. I just think that Football would be better if there was more football and racing would be better without amateur hour antics as we saw this weekend from Hamilton.

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Football, presumably, is thus called because of the game. Motor racing is thus named you'd summise, because of the racing. If you dont try to pass, you'll never get by, will you?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Too much to gain there though. Imagine if the driver 2nd in the championship had the chance to penalise vettel.....

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It would be derived by a majority, without the possibility of a single driver's opinion swaying the decision - hence the need for written submission.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Football, presumably, is thus called because of the game. Motor racing is thus named you'd summise, because of the racing. If you dont try to pass, you'll never get by, will you?

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Of course, but loads of other people got by this weekend without contact.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

It would be derived by a majority, without the possibility of a single driver's opinion swaying the decision - hence the need for written submission.

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But I think it's too open to being swayed. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

How would it (or wouldn't it) work, if an incident is presided over by all the drivers bar those involved, and a consensus of opinion derived like that, with a clear written statement from each driver supporting their decision?

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I’d be Ok with that. There would probably have to be three options. Is it A’s fault, B’s fault or Racing Incident. Each driver the chooses from a piece of paper
Advantages:
A general good consensus from people within the sport and in touch with modern era ethics of what is acceptable or not.
It would be more consistent.
If one driver holds a gripe against another and simply decides to vote the other way then their vote would be negated by all other honest drivers.

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There are too many incidents in one race to make this feasible.
None of the drivers would probably waste their time participating, as they already have a busy schedule.
All incidents would have to be investigated after the race, thus pretty much removing drive through penalties. This could result in many winners, podium and point changes post race.

What could be done is to have a few ex drivers as all the stewards room, say a panel of five and they choose themselves whose fault it was or a racing incident and the majority rules.

The main issue there would be to manage to get 5 ex drivers to steward any race.

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Originally Posted by Mark

tbh I think the majority of the time when drivers are handed penalties they aren't fair. We don't want a situation where drivers are afraid to try to overtake because they might end up in trouble with the stewards. Most of the time they completely mess up their race as a result anyway and the only time the stewards need to intervene is if e.g. a driver runs into someone and ruins their race but they carry on unaffected.

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Di Resta is a great example of this. He pulled a stupid move and lost his nose, in addition to the time lost he also had to pit, yet the stewards still felt he deserved a drive through. As a rookie driver who has behaved impeccably to date I think that a quiet word after the race would've sufficed. The real piss take was when Kobayashi wasn't penalised during the race for a far more obvious infringement