Your opinion on 'Drag Reduction System'

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Originally Posted by Sonic

*raises hand* Ooooo, Oooo, me, me! I know the answer ;)

Just my personal view Bagwan, but what I like about DRS is it recreates those pre '70's slipstream boosts. Watching turkey last week was like watching Monza circa 1968.

However, big tows have never (to my knowledge) featured at Monaco. The huge speed difference, coupled with the narrowness of the Tarmac would leave me feeling a little uneasy about the use of the system (if I were lucky enough to be a GP driver - which is probably why I didn't make it ;) ) I actually don't have an issue with it in clear air.

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He doesn't want your answer. He wants mine. He wants me to explain why I don't want it on a tight, twisty street circuit and then somehow apply the logic that because I don't feel it's safe at Monaco that it's not safe on any track which is completely faulty logic.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

He doesn't want your answer. He wants mine. He wants me to explain why I don't want it on a tight, twisty street circuit and then somehow apply the logic that because I don't feel it's safe at Monaco that it's not safe on any track which is completely faulty logic.

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And you want to duck the question because you don't want to hear the logic .

You want to call the logic "jibber jabber" , rather than hear it .

That's ok .
I'll debate with Sonic about it .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

And you want to duck the question because you don't want to hear the logic .

You want to call the logic "jibber jabber" , rather than hear it .

That's ok .
I'll debate with Sonic about it .

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Seriously, what do you actually want me to say?

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Originally Posted by Sonic

*raises hand* Ooooo, Oooo, me, me! I know the answer ;)

Just my personal view Bagwan, but what I like about DRS is it recreates those pre '70's slipstream boosts. Watching turkey last week was like watching Monza circa 1968.

However, big tows have never (to my knowledge) featured at Monaco. The huge speed difference, coupled with the narrowness of the Tarmac would leave me feeling a little uneasy about the use of the system (if I were lucky enough to be a GP driver - which is probably why I didn't make it ;) ) I actually don't have an issue with it in clear air.

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Those "slipstream boosts" were naturally created .
All the extra speed came from the hole behind the car ahead .
Jumping out from behind into that airstream took serious bravery and car control .

Everyone had the same box of tools .

Turkey this year , every time that DRS straight came , if the tires were allowing them to get close enough to get in the zone , there was a pass .
The tires , essentially , were what made that difference .
The DRS just finished the job . There was no point fighting .


The real issue lies in how the cars cannot follow closely through the corners , due to the hole in the airstream behind .
If they cannot follow within that second through the corner , they don't get the tow , either with or without the DRS .

Without the addition of the tires making the cars run such a speed differentials , the DRS would be a total bust .

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Seriously, what do you actually want me to say?

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Post box , key fob , hammer drill .

^^^^

B. I Agee with you in every single way, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. F1 will not (some would argue can not) take the wings off the cars, therefore their is no 'natural' way to create that hole in the air for awesome slipstreaming battles.

That being the case I'll throw my lot in with DRS until something better comes along.

As I've said before, I wanted to hate it on principle, I really did, but it give F1 back something (artificially) it has lacked for a long time, and I am LOVING it!

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

The real issue lies in how the cars cannot follow closely through the corners , due to the hole in the airstream behind .
If they cannot follow within that second through the corner , they don't get the tow , either with or without the DRS .

Without the addition of the tires making the cars run such a speed differentials , the DRS would be a total bust .

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I don't agree that the tyres were causing all of the speed differential.

Again we're taking a bad example and making it the rule. DRS was overpowered in turkey and because of this I'm sure they'll turn it down (perhaps too far even) for other races.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Post box , key fob , hammer drill .

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I'm being serious here now :) What do you want me to say and I will either agree or disagree, I don't understand the point you're trying to make me make :)

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Originally Posted by Sonic

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B. I Agee with you in every single way, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. F1 will not (some would argue can not) take the wings off the cars, therefore their is no 'natural' way to create that hole in the air for awesome slipstreaming battles.

That being the case I'll throw my lot in with DRS until something better comes along.

As I've said before, I wanted to hate it on principle, I really did, but it give F1 back something (artificially) it has lacked for a long time, and I am LOVING it!

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They've been stuffing that genie back into the bottle for many years , with banning winglets and barge boards , limitting size , and lifting wings off the ground .
Damn genie returns every time .

In those days there were also tires that created the close racing .

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Originally Posted by Sonic

B. I Agee with you in every single way, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. F1 will not (some would argue can not) take the wings off the cars, therefore their is no 'natural' way to create that hole in the air for awesome slipstreaming battles.!

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+1 to what Bagwan said.

Instead of the genie in the bottle excuse (though I find it astonishing FOTA fully advocate DRS for 2013 onwards) here's an idea: get rid of DRS and tweak KERS instead.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I don't agree that the tyres were causing all of the speed differential.

Again we're taking a bad example and making it the rule. DRS was overpowered in turkey and because of this I'm sure they'll turn it down (perhaps too far even) for other races.

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Did not you not notice Rosberg's car went junk quickly?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/13334558.stm

Alonso stated: "When we followed Rosberg in the first couple of laps, it was impossible to overtake him but when he started to have tyre degradation it was very easy to overtake him. So it is more tyre-related."

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