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Originally Posted by ioan

And the 'fun' continues:


Pirelli to discuss Q3 tyre-saving issue with FOTA in Korea - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

Funny how the guy who knows bugger all about F1 thinks that he knows better then F1 teams and engineers with many years of experience.
What with the tires being crap after stints of only 9 laps in Japan?

They need to pull their fingers out of their behinds and make a real race tire, that's the solution, now that everyone sees that teams need to save tires in qualifying instead of going all out.

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Of course the tyres are crap but everyone has deal with it and it gives the teams something to really think about on race weekends.

And the racing has been so much better for it. Longer do we get the last stint/last third of the race where most drivers pace to the finish

As for the tyre saving thing I have no problems with it. The main focus is on pole - as it should be. If FI or Sauber or even MGP want to work on race day then so be it but at least pole position has not be diminished in past years with qualify-with-race-fuel-load. However I can see Hembrey's position and we live in financially difficult times.

After a few seasons getting used to safe and bland Michelin tyres will be poor for F1, IMHO. I'd rather have crap tyres than DRS.

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Originally Posted by wedge

As for the tyre saving thing I have no problems with it.

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Neither have I.
What bothers me is Pirelli blaming the teams for saving tires for the race and making the tire supplier look bad, while the solution to the problem is better tires.
Not to mention that last season Bridgestone was supplying 14 tires sets / race week end / car, Pirelli did reduce it to 11 sets and wanted a few weeks ago to reduce it to 10 sets / car / race week end. Their wishes are somewhat contradictory yet they blame others.

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Originally Posted by wedge

I'd rather have crap tyres than DRS.

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Same here, though I don't like any of them. F1 is no more a sprint race,a battle of those who are faster, is a tire related roulette. A crap tire decides the outcome of the race, not the chassis, not the engine, not the driver's ultimate speed, just pieces of rubber that aren't related to the technical excellence of the F1 teams. What a shame.

There's more tire saving going on during a F1 race then during a 24 Hours Le Mans race, it's just wrong.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Neither have I.
What bothers me is Pirelli blaming the teams for saving tires for the race and making the tire supplier look bad...

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Have they? I've heard them blame the rules, but never the teams. This from Autosport, for example:

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Originally Posted by Paul Hembrey

I'm not criticising the teams because I know why they've done it, because they are using the rules to obtain the best result, so it's not a case of that. But I think we have to look at the wider picture and all of us work together to find a solution.

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I presume you have a link for your assertation that Pirelli have been blaming the teams? Thought not... :s

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...while the solution to the problem is better tires.

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Which has been explained to you, and backed up with numerous sources, on many occasions.

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A crap tire decides the outcome of the race, not the chassis, not the engine, not the driver's ultimate speed, just pieces of rubber that aren't related to the technical excellence of the F1 teams. What a shame.

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Odd then, perhaps, that the fastest drivers in the best teams have been winning all the races this year. Or not...

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Originally Posted by ioan

F1 is no more a sprint race,a battle of those who are faster, is a tire related roulette. A crap tire decides the outcome of the race, not the chassis, not the engine, not the driver's ultimate speed, just pieces of rubber that aren't related to the technical excellence of the F1 teams. What a shame.

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To the naked eye and it may appear to be a sprint but it's not.

Tyre management - the balance between extending life vs. performance has always been one of the great conundrums throughout motorsport and the soft, crap tyres have added a twist.

You doubt that teams and drivers do not work hard to maximize the tyres then you are utterly wrong and the results have shown this.

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Originally Posted by ioan

There's more tire saving going on during a F1 race then during a 24 Hours Le Mans race, it's just wrong.

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There's nothing wrong at all. Has pole position been devalued as in past seasons with race fuel quali? Besides, in previous seasons weren't Ferrari caught out in trying to be clever in sending out their drivers on the harder tire and save a new set of softs?

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Originally Posted by wedge

To the naked eye and it may appear to be a sprint but it's not.

Tyre management - the balance between extending life vs. performance has always been one of the great conundrums throughout motorsport and the soft, crap tyres have added a twist.

You doubt that teams and drivers do not work hard to maximize the tyres then you are utterly wrong and the results have shown this.




There's nothing wrong at all. Has pole position been devalued as in past seasons with race fuel quali? Besides, in previous seasons weren't Ferrari caught out in trying to be clever in sending out their drivers on the harder tire and save a new set of softs?

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You're pretty much wrong on all of them, then again it's a question of bias above all I guess.
And before you accuse me of bias I'll point out that Vettel whom I support most has already wrapped up the WDC, yet I feel F1 is going down the wrong path.

And yes race fuel qualy did devalue Pole Position a lot in the past years.

Can you answer the point raised by Dave please ioan. You seem to be writing a lot of opinion and claiming it as fact. I thought you were trying to stop doing this :s

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Everything I post is my own opinion and I\'ll always try to back it up! :)

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Tick tock, Clarice....

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're pretty much wrong on all of them, then again it's a question of bias above all I guess.
And before you accuse me of bias I'll point out that Vettel whom I support most has already wrapped up the WDC, yet I feel F1 is going down the wrong path.

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If the Pirelli's tyres has created a game of roulette then Vettel would not be WDC. He has won it on merit.

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Originally Posted by wedge

If the Pirelli's tyres has created a game of roulette then Vettel would not be WDC. He has won it on merit.

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Exactly. Pirelli have been great and I hope they continue to produce these crap tires that Bernie & co wanted. It's great for us, never mind a couple of ioans.