Luca Badoer Finally Gets Ferrari Drive

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23rd August 2009, 21:33
ioan

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Originally Posted by tamburello

You're starting to believe that? I believed that as soon as Ron Dennis said he liked Domencali.

I don't want the Ferrari team boss to be liked or to be likeable. I want him to out- all the other s.

There isn't enough feck-you attitude in Maranello nowadays.

I must say you are right. Domenicali is way to calm and Motezemolo is making with him whatever he wants.
23rd August 2009, 22:44
woody2goody

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Originally Posted by jens

Yes, he probably wasn't good enough to make a serious impact in F1, but he was nonetheless better back then than he is now.

The thing is, back then, the guys at the back were 3-4 seconds slower than the guys at the front, so if you were in a Minardi (who seemed to be the only team who were consistently at the back), then you would only have a chance of points in bizarre circumstances (Europe 1999, Australia 2002, USA 2004).

So to say that Badoer getting no points from 50 races or so is so bad, look who he has driven for: Scuderia Italia, Minardi and Forti Corse.

I've got some data to back that up. These are the quali gaps from Minardi drivers to pole position in 1999:

Australia: Badoer +4.7, Gene +6.5
Brazil: Sarrazin +3.4, Gene +4.1
San Marino: Badoer +4.5, Gene +3.6
Monaco: Badoer +3.2, Gene +4.3
Spanish: Badoer +3.7, Gene +3.5
Canada: Badoer +3.5, Gene +4.0
France: Badoer +8.3, Gene +7.8 (Wet race?)
Britain: Badoer +3.8, Gene +3.9
Austria: Badoer +2.6, Gene +3.4
Germany: Badoer +2.9, Gene +2.3
Hungary: Badoer +2.8, Gene +3.7
Belgium: Badoer +3.8, Gene +4.2
Italy: Badoer +2.9, Gene +3.2
Europe (Nurburgring): Badoer 2.7, Gene +2.8
Malaysia: Badoer +4.6, Gene +3.8
Japan: Badoer +5.0, Gene +4.0

I don't think even the biggest critic of Luca could say he (or Marc) ever had a realistic chance of points apart from Europe where his car failed him and Gene scored a point for 6th.
24th August 2009, 03:35
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

If not Badoer, then who? I've no love for Badoer but Ferrari must be sure that whoever gets the drive for Spa doesn't have to go through a similar learning curve. So that means no Gene. Piquet and Bourdais are available and have current racing experience but neither have set the world aflame and don't exactly inspire confidence.

I think they should try and buy somebody out. Go get Fisichella. He's Italian, experienced and would probably be available. Grease Vijay's palm with enough green and I reckon he'd let Fisi go.

Can't be worse than this debacle.

I know certain people here will jump on me, but I am confident that either Sato or Ant would have done heaps better than Luca.

To put in perspective Badoer's fast testing time back in 2002, ant ran just .2 secs of SchM's fastest time at Monza during testing 3 years ago, and that was with a Honda. :eek:
24th August 2009, 03:38
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by wedge

He's out of his comfort zone.

Would've done a bit better had he been racing in Silverstone or Barcelona.

It's the Arthritis :( It won't get any better because it is an age thing.
24th August 2009, 06:42
F1boat

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

The thing is, back then, the guys at the back were 3-4 seconds slower than the guys at the front, so if you were in a Minardi (who seemed to be the only team who were consistently at the back), then you would only have a chance of points in bizarre circumstances (Europe 1999, Australia 2002, USA 2004).

So to say that Badoer getting no points from 50 races or so is so bad, look who he has driven for: Scuderia Italia, Minardi and Forti Corse.

I've got some data to back that up. These are the quali gaps from Minardi drivers to pole position in 1999:

Australia: Badoer +4.7, Gene +6.5
Brazil: Sarrazin +3.4, Gene +4.1
San Marino: Badoer +4.5, Gene +3.6
Monaco: Badoer +3.2, Gene +4.3
Spanish: Badoer +3.7, Gene +3.5
Canada: Badoer +3.5, Gene +4.0
France: Badoer +8.3, Gene +7.8 (Wet race?)
Britain: Badoer +3.8, Gene +3.9
Austria: Badoer +2.6, Gene +3.4
Germany: Badoer +2.9, Gene +2.3
Hungary: Badoer +2.8, Gene +3.7
Belgium: Badoer +3.8, Gene +4.2
Italy: Badoer +2.9, Gene +3.2
Europe (Nurburgring): Badoer 2.7, Gene +2.8
Malaysia: Badoer +4.6, Gene +3.8
Japan: Badoer +5.0, Gene +4.0

I don't think even the biggest critic of Luca could say he (or Marc) ever had a realistic chance of points apart from Europe where his car failed him and Gene scored a point for 6th.

Thanks for the post. :) Nice info. Good luck for Luca in Spa, if he races there.
24th August 2009, 08:55
Bezza

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Originally Posted by Bezza

Poor choice by Ferrari in my opinion. Badoer is a good test driver but is not a good racing driver. Back in '99 they did the right thing and appointed Salo, who was a free agent and much better than Badoer, who was, ironically, being outpaced by Marc Gene in a Minardi that year.

Badoer has had his chances in F1, he is not F1 material and never will be and this appointment astonishes me.

I think my opinion was proved correct this weekend.

What a joke! Possibly the worst driver ever to compete in an F1 race, he was so out of his depth I think my mum would have done better. At least she wouldn't have been caught speeding in the pitlane FOUR times!
24th August 2009, 08:58
Bezza

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Badoer said after qualifying that he was in the range that Ferrari targeted for him at this race. That the Valencia race is being treated as a major test session because it is his first run, a new circuit and he could not test before running - he has not driven anything for many months.

He will be racing at Spa and he said that the Belgian Grand Prix will be the first racing test versus Valencia being run for him as a test session only.

Bollocks! He was just slow and he will be slow again at Spa.

He was well past it, and he was never any good to begin with.
24th August 2009, 09:04
jimakos

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Originally Posted by Bezza

Bollocks! He was just slow and he will be slow again at Spa.

He was well past it, and he was never any good to begin with.

Let's give him a second chance guys!
Neither I like him but I think is ferrari's fault that chose Badoer for a so high level!!
If in Spa doesn't make something good he have to go out byhimself ;)
24th August 2009, 09:43
F1boat

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Originally Posted by jimakos

Let's give him a second chance guys!
Neither I like him but I think is ferrari's fault that chose Badoer for a so high level!!
If in Spa doesn't make something good he have to go out byhimself ;)

I agree, although in theory Monza should be his best track.
24th August 2009, 10:24
ioan

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I agree, although in theory Monza should be his best track.

Why not say Abu Dhabi is his best chance (as no one raced there)?
This way you apologize him for the rest of the season. :D

IMO he won't be good on any track, not with the driving he showed last week end.

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