Mayfield FAILED Drug Test

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9th February 2010, 02:17
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by 71Fan

As a drug addict who got cleaned up over 16 years ago, I can only hope that the allegations are not true, and that if they are that Jeremy can somehow overcome his addiction and move on with his life in a positive and productive manner.

If the results were tampered with, may God have mercy on all those who have condemmed him. If they weren't tampered with, may God have mercy on Jeremy.

Very mature way of looking at it. The problem I have with the Mayfield defenders is they don't grasp the gravity of what is happening. If the drug lab truly either tampered with the samples, or is on the take, it is the END of NASCAR as we know it, and for what purpose? Brian France isn't going to take that risk with the family trust. The motives don't add up.

If Mayfield thinks he is truly innocent, then it is his right to fight for reinstatement, but in my mind, his defense so far has been to throw around baseless accusations and play games with the press. He has gone through 2 or 3 legal teams now, and owes money to the ones he doens't like. He has handled this horribly (most lawyers demand you don't talk to the press, Mayfield ignored THAT as much as he could) and he has gotten everyone off on a tangent on where Brian France lives for some legal chicanery that does NOTHING to prove his innocence.

In short, Mayfield has shown all the classic signs of a meth addict, the paranoia, the superiority complex, the enhanced sense of self. HE doesn't LOOK one, and that is part of the problem. Meth Addicts with their faces caved in are the norm and the stereotype but some don't show these traits. What is more, whoever provided those samples WAS taking meth. There has been a number of experts on various media outlets who talked about the impossiblity of this being an "false" positive due to Clairtin. What is more, the second positive test was a "witnessed" test with the vials sealed at his house after a 11 cat and mouse game. Mayfield is in my mind either the greatest victim in the history of drug testing OR he is guilty. Considering what NASCAR or the Drug lab would have to lose if they were screwing him over, then you can figure out that the odds of this being a conspiracy just are astronomical. IN the end.....it is what it is.

I hope he gets treatment and gets off the stuff, but he woudln't be the first rich celeb type to use Meth, read Andre Agassi's accounts of using it, and realize he never once looked like a Meth head and doesn't now, to know it CAN happen...
9th February 2010, 16:12
71Fan

oh boy do I know it can happen.

And yea, he has definately blown his credibillity. Rumor has it that Tim Richmond was framed by NASCAR for drug use also, which was an attempt to cover up the truth about his medical condition and the damage it could do to NASCAR so this is not something that I would say NASCAR would not do to protect itself in some manner or another.

Bummer is that drug addiction is far more widespread in our nation than most people understand. Mother's Little Helper is commonplace, and the number of children being addicted to various drugs via our medical community is outlandish. Last I heard, 1 in 3 Americans take at least one medication per day, and 1 in 6 take two or more.

Shuckems, Heroin was marketed by Bayer Aspirin as a releif for menstral cramps....hence the name. And meth is present in all sorts of pain medication. The biggest drug dealers are not on our street corners, they are right behind the counter of your local pharmacy.
9th February 2010, 19:19
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by 71Fan

oh boy do I know it can happen.

And yea, he has definately blown his credibillity. Rumor has it that Tim Richmond was framed by NASCAR for drug use also, which was an attempt to cover up the truth about his medical condition and the damage it could do to NASCAR so this is not something that I would say NASCAR would not do to protect itself in some manner or another.

Bummer is that drug addiction is far more widespread in our nation than most people understand. Mother's Little Helper is commonplace, and the number of children being addicted to various drugs via our medical community is outlandish. Last I heard, 1 in 3 Americans take at least one medication per day, and 1 in 6 take two or more.

Shuckems, Heroin was marketed by Bayer Aspirin as a releif for menstral cramps....hence the name. And meth is present in all sorts of pain medication. The biggest drug dealers are not on our street corners, they are right behind the counter of your local pharmacy.

Prescription drugs are a problem for sure, but that isn't the issue here. The issue here is an accused drug user is trying to tear down NASCAR when they found him positive in not one, but two drug tests.

AS for Tim Richmond, that was a different era in NASCAR, and AIDS still had a huge stigma. The point is, Richmond hid his actual affliction but looked like he was on drugs and acted like it. He WAS in short almost begging for NASCAR to look closely at his life when he lived it on such a ragged edge and his appearance of being gaunt and weary made it worse.

NASCAR handled the Tim Richmond story in a bad way, but in a sense, so did Tim. This however is a far more enlightened NASCAR and a far more educated populace we are talking about. The point is NASCAR cannot afford to accuse someone of this and "Fix" the results. No conspiracy would ever be guarnteed to stay quiet, and the exposure would kill the sport.

Mayfield's story is sad, and one of denial, but it just is too much fantasy to believe there isnt' a fire behind all the smoke of his tests, and his behaviour has done nothing to indicate he is anything but out of his mind.
10th February 2010, 07:06
71Fan

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

and his behaviour has done nothing to indicate he is anything but out of his mind.

Sure can't diagree with that. He does exhibit some classic behavior.
10th February 2010, 21:27
dunes

Owning up to ones faults is the 1st step in recovery; of course that goes along with wanting to get yourself some help. Niether of these hes ready or willing to do.
heck it took Pete Rose 20 years to fes up to his.
10th February 2010, 21:37
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by 71Fan

Sure can't diagree with that. He does exhibit some classic behavior.

That is what sold me. When he showed up at Charlotte the week of the All Star race, he had tested positive on the Monday before, and he was told THEN he wasn't welcome at the track. He shows up in a motorhome and once the press discovers him spectating in the infield, he plays dumb to the rule, say's he had no idea. He did it so the media would find him and he tried right there to embarass NASCAR into tossing him out and making the spectacle before the press. Innocent men hold press confernces, hire a respectable lawyer (not the ambulance chaser publicity hound he has now) and go off the radar until he gets his day in court. The fact he dumped the lawyer who Bruton Smith used (how good a lawyer could Bruton afford? THE BEST) for the ambulance chaser Gerago's is more classic Methhead behaviour...
15th February 2010, 20:04
Chaparral66

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

That is what sold me. When he showed up at Charlotte the week of the All Star race, he had tested positive on the Monday before, and he was told THEN he wasn't welcome at the track. He shows up in a motorhome and once the press discovers him spectating in the infield, he plays dumb to the rule, say's he had no idea. He did it so the media would find him and he tried right there to embarass NASCAR into tossing him out and making the spectacle before the press. Innocent men hold press confernces, hire a respectable lawyer (not the ambulance chaser publicity hound he has now) and go off the radar until he gets his day in court. The fact he dumped the lawyer who Bruton Smith used (how good a lawyer could Bruton afford? THE BEST) for the ambulance chaser Gerago's is more classic Methhead behaviour...

I can't disagree that Mayfield has behaved really wierd. But NASCAR as I have constantly said has it's issues as well. They just came out with a banned drug list in their rule book for the first time ever, something the other sports leagues have done for years. Mayfield has the right to question NASCAR's methods and motives. NASCAR has the right to pursue a comprehensive drug policy to protect its particpants, staff, and fans, as long as they follow proper guidelines and common sense. They do not have the authority to act in an arbitrary and vindictive manner, which many have suspected -- and some have witnessed -- they have done over their history.
Who's right? I don't know, nobody does, no matter what the anecdotal evidence looks like. Only the court can decide that, and I want to see it all come out, the documents, the eye witness accounts, and expert testimony, and let the chips fall where they may. A case like this it way too complicated to decide before it gets its legal test.
16th February 2010, 16:53
71Fan

Sure they do.....the arbitrary thing.....It's their game and always has been. Any lawsuit challenging their right to do it their way will fail.
16th February 2010, 18:12
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by 71Fan

Sure they do.....the arbitrary thing.....It's their game and always has been. Any lawsuit challenging their right to do it their way will fail.

NASCAR doesn't have a monopoly on stock car racing, so no one can sue and imply that Mayfield is being persercuted unfairly. If he passed a drug test I am sure ARCA would let him race....

This argument that the drug policy is arbitrary and not public is another red herring. Here's why: NO ONE taking Meth would be legal to drive a race car ANYWHERE on this PLANET. Whether you get caught up in all the BS or not, the reality is NASCAR said Mayfield tested not once but twice for METH. Strip away all the stupidity about Brian France's divorce, and Ramsey Poston's PR statements on how this doesn't change the reality and yes, the reality is Mayfield cannot disprove how he tested not once, but TWICE for Meth. You guys have to quit following the smoke, and stay close the fire. Mayfield's whole defence WAS Clartin gave him the positive test and that there was some mistake. After the circumstances NASCAR had to go by to get that second test, and the fact it was a "witnessed" test following all the protocol issues that were brought up after the first test, he tested positive again with evidence in the sample of Mayfield's massive intake of water trying to flush the drugs from his system. Game...set... Match.....Mayfield's defense is now just trying to distract us...from THAT reality.
16th February 2010, 20:58
slorydn1

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

NASCAR doesn't have a monopoly on stock car racing, so no one can sue and imply that Mayfield is being persercuted unfairly. If he passed a drug test I am sure ARCA would let him race....

This argument that the drug policy is arbitrary and not public is another red herring. Here's why: NO ONE taking Meth would be legal to drive a race car ANYWHERE on this PLANET. Whether you get caught up in all the BS or not, the reality is NASCAR said Mayfield tested not once but twice for METH. Strip away all the stupidity about Brian France's divorce, and Ramsey Poston's PR statements on how this doesn't change the reality and yes, the reality is Mayfield cannot disprove how he tested not once, but TWICE for Meth. You guys have to quit following the smoke, and stay close the fire. Mayfield's whole defence WAS Clartin gave him the positive test and that there was some mistake. After the circumstances NASCAR had to go by to get that second test, and the fact it was a "witnessed" test following all the protocol issues that were brought up after the first test, he tested positive again with evidence in the sample of Mayfield's massive intake of water trying to flush the drugs from his system. Game...set... Match.....Mayfield's defense is now just trying to distract us...from THAT reality.

Amen, I couldn't agree more. I was floored after the first positive test, but knowing that there are possibilities, however slim, that there could have been some kind of mistake, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. When he was stupid enough to allow himself to be positive the second time :eek: that told me right there and then he has a problem; a problem so severe that he should NEVER be allowed back in a race car,ever.

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