Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Daniel

What a load of rubbish. Lewis wasn't forced off the road. he went for a gap where that closed up. Simple as that. If Lewis was forced off the track I'm sure he would have said so but he didn't.......

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70405

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Q. Talk us through that passing incident at the last chicane when you let Kimi past but then passed him again?

LH: Yeah, I mean to be honest he pushed me wide. I was a little bit ahead and I was on the outside of turn one. He could have been fair as I had no room. He pushed me to the point where I would either have been on the kerb and crashed into him or have to go on the escape route, so I went on the escape route. I understood I had to let him past, so I did. I got in his tow and he was ducking and diving left and right and I did the same and managed to get back to the inside of him. But then he hit me at the apex of the corner but I think I was pretty much gone from there which was good.

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Originally Posted by dwf1

Big news. I've just watched the final few laps......Nick Heidfeld should win the Belgian GP. As lewis and Massa go on to the final lap, Massa obviously cuts the chicane (You can tell this from the line he takes in the background out of the final chicane!!) This means he got an advantage by cutting the chicane instead of hitting the wall even if it was a mistake. I mean if he had hit the wall or spun he could have been out so thats gaining an advantage is it not???

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:laugh:

Do you think the FIA will consider it?

Does the Pope s**t in the woods ;)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

What a load of rubbish. Lewis wasn't forced off the road. he went for a gap where that closed up. Simple as that. If Lewis was forced off the track I'm sure he would have said so but he didn't.......

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he actualy did Daniel

***When the heavens opened, Kimi was a little cautious under braking and I was able to get really close. When I had a look around the outside at the chicane, we almost had an accident, and I needed to steer left to avoid him.***

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Originally Posted by wedge

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70405

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OK I take that part back. Be that as it may Kimi is under no obligation to gift Lewis the place. The person passing has to make the pass stick and Lewis didn't.

Tonieke.... Lewis has to make the pass.....simple as that.

14 people on the poll now say it is justified :s hock: Blood hell :(

Hamilton gained an advantage by cutting the chicane. He then followed the rules and rightly allowed Kimi to retake the position. He then legally overtakes Kimi at the next corner. I dont see what problem the stewards found.

Stupid penalty :down:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

He went off. You can't just make a mistake, go off on the grass and then let the other car by when it suits you.

If Lewis has made the corner and slipstreamed Kimi and made the pass it would have been fine of course. But the thing is he didn't make the corner and he went off and gained a place and then gave it back at his leisure. If you go off there should be a disadvantage and you can't simply let the other car by when it's convenient for you and have a net gain out of the whole thing.

If you look at the incident again you'll see that Lewis made a gain out of the whole thing.

Now that I think of it this is Lewis' second offence for the same thing and although he let Kimi though he might as well not have considering how he did it and I'm actually thinking perhaps he does deserve it.

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That is my question, Lewis was right on his wheel after relinquishing the lead. Is that legit or does he have to give the person a small lead before he attempts to retake the position.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

OK I take that part back. Be that as it may Kimi is under no obligation to gift Lewis the place. The person passing has to make the pass stick and Lewis didn't.

Tonieke.... Lewis has to make the pass.....simple as that.

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Well he did, at the hairpin. But did he only manage to pass at the hairpin because he cut the chicane? Maybe, but did he go off at the chicane because of Kimi? Maybe.

Too many unanswerable questions and too many seconds penalties.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

OK I take that part back. Be that as it may Kimi is under no obligation to gift Lewis the place. The person passing has to make the pass stick and Lewis didn't.

Tonieke.... Lewis has to make the pass.....simple as that.

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I am no longer goin to discuss this..well just end with the words of Lauda..and I think he's in a way better position that any of us to give his thoughts about this "incident"

***But Lauda, the great Austrian driver, spoke on behalf of much of the wider international paddock population.

"This is the worst judgment in the history of F1," he slammed. "The most perverted judgment I have ever seen.

"It's absolutely unacceptable when three functionaries (the stewards) influence the championship like this," Lauda added***

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

OK, lets start with the definition of “an incident”.



Was a driver forced off track? Y/N

Was a driver prevented from a legitimate overtaking maneuver Y/N

Was a driver impeded during overtaking Y/N

Were 2 drivers involved Y/N



I would say that turning into a driver on the inside of a corner when you know he is there thereby forcing him to either crash or go off track is strictly prohibited.

As such, Lewis shouldn’t have had to give the place up BUT HE DID and consequently, relinquished his advantage and momentum to the Ferrari.

He then proceeded to do what he had been threatening and passed him at the next corner by outbreaking Kimi.

So, I ask again. When it’s all stacking up against Kimi, what advantage did Lewis gain.

Momentum?

Last time I checked, slowing down to give the momentum to the car behind was to give up your speed advantage. Unless the rules of physics are re-written by the FIA, then a car needs to be going faster to overtake and therefore have greater momentum.

Or are they pi$$ed because Lewis was driving better in the conditions and outbroke Kimi.

How can outbreaking someone constitute having a speed advantage. Surely we are penalizing him because he was better on the brakes.

Kimi had no answer for Lewis. He was catching him hand over fist and would have nailed him at the chicane if Kimi hadn’t of forced him off track.

He let him past and then outbraked him.

Perhaps the FIA think he just shouldn’t overtake Kimi at all?

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Knock , Lewis or anyone else for that matter , needed to be even with Kimi to assert himself in that chicane . He was not , as , although having braked later , in a position to do so .
He only got a nose in , and as we've seen countless times , he had to make the move to avoid a collision .

You could either say Lewis didn't brake late enough , or that Kimi used his late enough to preclude the move , but , either way , he was unable to pull it off .
I would think that , had there been a wall there , Lewis might have reacted differently , and if we imagine there was , and him backing out slightly earlier , it becomes easy to see , with the short run to La Source , he would still have been trailing the Ferrari out of that hairpin .
He would not have , by virtue of having to follow the Ferrari through the corner , been able to apply the power as early as Kimi .

Simple physics , my friend .
Though he slowed to let the red car through , that dropped him perfectly in the slipstream , set for taking the inside for the hairpin .

If he had braked early , and taken a wider line , he might have been able to get him or at least be close enough to slipstream down the main straight , having negotiated a tighter line out of the second half of the chicane .

It is too bad , because Lewis drove a great race .

I would think a counter-protest would be in order , if McLaren believe that the whole issue was with what Kimi did at the chicane .
But Kimi isn't under investigation .

And , Lewis should have waited for the hill .

The sport relies on stewards who have little or no experience in motor racing to pass judgement on racing incidents based on visual interpretations of video replays (do they have access to telemetry?).

Until this practice changes we will continue to have the outcome of races, indeed championships, decided in this manner.