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Originally Posted by denkimi
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How?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
FIA suspended the 3 out of 5 continents rule last year indefinitely. All titles are still FIA World Championships, be it F1, WRC, WEC, World RX or FE.
No they didn't. It's still in the 2021 sporting code.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
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2.4.3.b.i The cup, trophy, challenge or series calendar must
include Competitions taking place on at least three
continents during the same season.
Nut now i'm actually reading it, it's even worse:
Meaning that the wrc can never be a world championship with only 3 automobile makers involved.Quote:
2.4.3.a International cups, trophies, challenges or series
which bear the FIA name, and their Competitions, may only
bear a title that includes the word “World” (or any word
with a similar meaning to or derived from “World” in any
language) if their applicable regulations comply at least
with the requirements below and with the additional
requirement that they involve the participation, on average
over the entire season, of a least four automobile makes.
This makes me wonder why they even have a sporting code if they just decide not to follow it.
I think they gave it a waiver back in 2009; with only Citroen & Ford.......after Suzuki & Subaru pulled the plug late 2008. Strictly speaking, anything less than the 4 makers, or 3 continents, and the WRC becomes World Rally Cup/Series. However, that would be lessening their own championship - not the brightest thing to do. So, they've ignored the sporting code.
Which rallies has had only 3 automobile makers ?
Citroen, Skoda and VW are also automobile makers!
I understand why they did and still do it, but i don't get why they don't just delete it from the rules. Why even create a code when you have no intention to implement it?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
So are renault, mercedes or aixam, but neither of those are participating in the wrc.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Wrc and wrc2 or wrc3 are different world championships, only hyundai, ford and toyota are participating in the wrc championship.
I do believe that the Ostberg Citroen entry could be counted as a manufacturer entry. In WEC they were allowed to do the World Championship because they counted the GTE-PRO entries of Ferrari, Aston Martin and Ford as official brands joined with Porsche, Toyota and Audi in their LMP1's. They don't specify in which category the manufacturer as to be registered. Regarding Skoda, I don't think they'll count (neither does VW) because the WTCR had to change to a cup as no manufacturers teams were allowed. Although there are still five manufacturers involved in the championship, they are considered private entries.
But, at the same time they are planing to make a Cross-country world championship with only Audi and Toyota committed and the WRX still is a world championship without any brand in it.... Sooooo
WRC2/3 drivers can also score WRC points.
This season 30 different drivers have managed to finish in overall top10.
Yes, WRC2 and WRC3 are different championshipsQuote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
but
WRC is all FIA cars entered and TOP 10 Overall will get WRC points not only those who drive for Teams points, which is also different Championship.
And a total of six car brands (Toyota, Hyundai, Ford, Skoda, Citroen, Volkswagen). In the old days they would have received manufacturer points.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
https://www.rallit.fi/jari-matti-lat...tetun-uutisen/
According to Latvala Monza replacement is confirmed. More stages in the mountains, no full day in the circuit.
Monza just officially announced for November 19-21.
Same weekend as ERC Canarias.
So Mikkelsen would either have to pick one of the two or Toksport needs to reschedule their starts.
Mikkelsen was originally heading to Japan at same date so I don´t see any other option than WRC MonzaQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
btw.It´s ERC not IRC
Rally Japan was scheduled week before.
They could go to Catalunya instead (all the more that there is a ERC rally in Portugal two weeks before).
Or deciding lately between Canaries and Monza in function of which championships need more an additional entry (but risky if it is needed in both championships).
But Clearly Monza was a better option than Catalunya for Mikkelsen and it is a short delay to decide (but maybe teams have been informed earlier, especially with Japan cancellation)
Or maybe Mikkelsen could make an entry in Catalunya with another car but under Toksport entry (a little like Gryazin in Greece with M-Sport and Movisport)
I was getting the impression that the plan was to drive a different category car in Catalunya.
Would sound extremely strange to me to see him in Rally1 in Spain.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Yes, he took his first win in Catalunya but he was not the fastest clearly, and for the rest, he was not really good there.
So not the best way to show himself all the more than it is full tarmac now.
Monza would be more logical because could be a Monte Carlo-like Rallye depending on the weather (but could also be a Corsica-like which would be less interesting for him)
So if Ogier get 16 more points than Evans and 22 more than Neuville in Finalnd he is champion?
Ott and Kalle still have a mathematical chance but seems quite challenging.
Ogier needs all of this in Finland to be champion:Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
- 16 more points than Evans
- 10 more points than Neuville
- 9 more points than Rovanperä (this automatically includes that Rovanperä does not win Finland, otherwise Rovanperä could get 5 wins this season against 4 wins of Ogier in tiebreak situation)
- Tänak to get at most 14 more points than Ogier.
I'm not seeing Ogier getting even a podium in Finland, so it's quite unlikely he manages this. Especially against Evans and Rovanperä .
Also notice that Tänak is the first one to fall out of mathematical chance, if he doesn't beat Ogier by 14 points in Finland. Meanwhile Rovanperä is only one point behind Neuville and has two wins (if points are tied, the one with more wins is champion)
Oliver Solberg with i20 WRC in Catalunya!
;)
What he has done to deserve again this chance? A couple of stage wins and a crash in Greece. Can not understand Adamo´s thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Why not? Season ending, last events with these cars..Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
same could ask about Loubet?
It's not our money that they get to drive for :D
To me it's cool to see him in WRC car!
Madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
He needs a stable long-term program (preferably with one car but at least in same category) and a real coach + maybe experienced co-driver (these two can be one person).
Between Adamos ambitions to turn him into new Rovanpera in 1/3 of the time and his parents who (from the outside) seem like a fan squad his career is getting ruined.
Currently his average time between major issues is 2 stages. Last time he managed driving more than one leg without issues is 5 rallies ago.
There are 2 real risks:
- No development ( that's already happening, what signs are there he is any different driver than in January?)
- If Adamo gets kicked and the new person is not Solberg's fanboy or if say Hyundai pulls out who will suddenly hire Solberg? Sure with his parents and their connections he will find some way to drive, but again it slows any development.
Clearly Adamo is fast tracking him into the main team and sees Solberg as the future. Autosport claiming Adamo told Breen he couldn't offer him a full season, so.....
I'd now be surpised if Solberg/ Sordo sharing the 3rd car doesn't happen now. I guess unless Oliver has an absolute disaster in the last few rallies.
Not madness, but anyway kind of weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
However Oliver is strong mentally and is for sure on a level of speed beyond many drivers. I´d say also in a WRC car.
What he need now is a more consistent variable driving, using stages wisely, by coaching, including experienced co-driver. (has been discussed here before...)
It´s weird yes
but
his results with Hyundai WRC are way better than his results with Hyundai R5/Rally2 ...
Maybe WRC suits him better ?
Hyundai Motorsport
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Teemu Suninen
Great news, we'll join Hyundai Motorsport! 🙌🏼
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Some ROI to Juohki...
He has a rich and famous daddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
I see no other reason why they would put him in that car again.
I was going to say, hopefully this means he's finally getting paid by a team for his services...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Great news today. I like surprises like this
Can’t wait
I’m happy to see him have another go, and if they are putting Sunninen in the WRC2 car in Spain it makes sense. I think the message is quite clear from Adamo about what’s expected of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Whatever we think about his rate of progress, it’s pretty clear that he is being fast tracked through the Hyundai set up, rightly or wrongly.
I’m with everyone on the Co-Driver tho, having someone like Seb Marshall with him would help a lot I think.
Paid enough moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by rp
I believe they are still paying for this drive. It's an investment, and getting one foot in the door of Hyundai considering next year and the possible replacement for Breen. Or maybe they are aiming at a program at Hyundai next year where they can have WRC2 and some single drives in a customer Rally1 car, if there is one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
What does Solberg driving the customer car have to do with Breen's contract?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
BTW how long Veiby is banned from WRC events?
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BTW how long Veiby is banned from WRC events?[/QUOTE]
It will be until 22th November, so no more WRC events this year...
So that's why Solberg starts using WRC car.
???????? He got a good result in Arctic despite spinning a bunch of times and going into a lot of snowbanks which he was lucky to get out of, and retired on the first stage of the Safari. Where is this "way better" you speak of?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Oliver needs a solid program in WRC2 driving a single car for an entire season, at least. He's not learning neither the rallies nor the cars (every other event he's driving something else) he's driving, and at this rate the best case scenario is that this will have been a lost year of development.
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To me the latest news are more small hints that Breen is going to MSport. Otherwise it seems Hyundai is a shit show, I think Adamo won't see the end of the year in charge.
I think maybe Oliver is more made for driving 400+ hp car than RC2 car. Do not forget his journey in RX with 600+hp cars. He might know how to use the Hp...?