Cheap beer costs about 3e/liter. All the mass brand lagers taste the same, like piss. Lapin Kulta is the closest to a real pilsener. I would go for Olvi IPA, proper beer, bang for a buck (or two)
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Cheap beer costs about 3e/liter. All the mass brand lagers taste the same, like piss. Lapin Kulta is the closest to a real pilsener. I would go for Olvi IPA, proper beer, bang for a buck (or two)
Some yes, but cheapest brands are less than 1€/can. With 2€ you get good beer, with 3€ excellent. Both Carlberg and Heineken are cheap brands in Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by drive
If you come with car, bring beer, Finns will buy all extra away...
being from a country where alcoholism is almost a national sport and referring to that bubbling piss as beer is an insult...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
they are lagers... nothing to do with beers.
Most of they were lagers, but now when limit is 5.5% what you can sell/buy at normal stores/gas-stations things have changed, IPA, APA, Weiss, Dark..Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Nearly everyone can find something to drink.
I´m pisshead so I can drink lager also.
Hayden Paddon's averaged 122.66 kph in winning Rally South Canterbury the latest round of the NZ Rally Championship. Only 6 WRC events have ever had a faster average speed, those 6 events were all Rally Finland
on a bicycle?Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
hmmm - I must learn to proof read before pressing post. Original entry now correctedQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
NZ roads allow for superb high speed, flowing driving, especially in the south island! I hope with this expanding calendar that we might see a flicker of hope to see it back here in NZ again. Rallying in Japan would be disappointing as I went to WRC Rally Japan and the roads were crap. The spectator areas were far and few between, and despite Hokkaido being big and expansive (looking a lot like NZ) they chose the worst roads possible to run as special stages. As spectators we saw next to nothing because the stages were so narrow you weren't allowed to walk in at all!
Nicky Grist
Old Safari rallies were timed to the minute, if at the end of a section you are close to the next minute, you pass the time card to the driver, he hands it to the catcher, when the catcher has it, he shouts TIME, and the timekeeper stops the clock. That’s what is in this picture!
https://twitter.com/nickygrist/statu...79441632792577
I saw some Japanese National Championship thing in the winter and all you say was the roof--occasionally..Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
I saw summer coverage and the roads were NARROW...and the woods were lush, overgrown..
Then again I have heard many MANY "fan-boi" fans--invariably guys whose entire experience is via TV and games say "You don't really need specators, its ALL aboout the TV package.."
I want to shoot them but there's some chance that somebody might notice they had large holes in their heads..
Then again, maybe not.
But others might certainly noticed that they stopped tweeting and updating their Pacefook status and i might get arrested.
Anyone know what they are smoking over at Skoda Motorsport??? One of the more bizarre content strategies I've seen. The top story on their website is about Herbie. Look at some of the other stories on here too: https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/
Sir, you have had enough to drink, the door is there =>Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Autosport prattling on about a potential Kimi Raikkonen test at Toyota WRC.
Raikkonen is 38?
https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-10230643Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
In here Tommi Mäkinen denied those rumors
here's the new Autosport story: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...konen-wrc-test Mäkinen kinda contradicts himself, but the main point is that "if he pays, I give him a car". Who wouldn't?
I like this quote from Kaj Lindström:
Quote:
But this kind of story has to be really careful. If we say anything then it goes on and suddenly [it is written that] we have Kimi in the car and in the team for the whole season.
"This kind of thing can get a little bit silly.
I'm surprised that people can even think that Räikkonen would join the main team and not be a client.
What happend to performanceclothing outlet? They dont have any wrc branded clothes anymore - I presume promoter opened their own shop and dont want any competition? So sad i didnt get any more tshirts and stuff during december sales, i wasnt expecting them to withdraw... as personally i dont like really shop.wrc line designs...
Loeb might drive one of the TCR cars himself to reduce driver fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
or Loeb Racing could stand down the two 'crash' TCR drivers for the next TCR round and trial 2 of the 4 BTCC VW drivers at the last european tcr round (slovakia). Give the Loeb racing 'crash' incumbents a second chance at the Ningbo TCR round,(BTCC round clash) if they fail then BTCC vw drivers might be available to do the last 3 TCR round Wuhan, Suzuka and Macau.
Oh man. This long pause is just killing me...
Hey finnish guys on twitter, have you had not enough of whining already that the WRC drivers chose Rally Estonia instead of Autoglym? :rolleyes:
one of estonian biggest newspapers has even made an article about it https://sport.postimees.ee/4630271/k...s-saatuslikuks
What do you mean? It´s a pity that the events will be driven at the same time. Everyone knows that Rally Estonia is not the best place to test for Rally Finland, but the teams chose it this time. Even Tänak said that at least they will get the sense of the fast roads there...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
" It's not quite the same for Finland where the surface is a bit harder and there are more jumps. We don't have the same profile, but the speed will be the same and, after the break and some quite slow, twisty mountain gravel roads, it's really nice to get out and go fast again."
That´s no whining. It´s pure consideration for Hayden. After last year he needs all support he can get. So, whining, a big NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
It was just a joke on Hayden’s autocorrect error
any paid member for full article?
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/featur...y-didnt-happen
its david evans so probably some imaginary or exaggerated story because we are in dead season...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/i...-finland-2003/Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Honoured to know Rallirinki persons in real life :)
Great to see! Passats De Canto did something similar with Catalunya '92-'93, 25 years after, but on facebook.
Honoured to be a part of this project :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Only Sebastien Ogier knew it was coming. The rest of the Rally Sweden press office was taken completely by surprise when Julien Ingrassia requested journalists move their laptops aside to make room for him to stand on a desk wearing a pair of cross-country skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
At other times he'll be brightening the FIA's post-event gatherings with a line or two of AC/DC. Or speaking about the state of his relationship with his grandmother - who reportedly refused to speak to him until he started winning again.
Ingrassia came into the winners' circle at 100mph in 2010 and has barely come off the throttle since. Five world championships down, this seemed like a good time to ask him what it's like to live life alongside Ogier.
Born in Aix-en-Provence, the 38-year-old is as mystified as anybody about why he goes rallying.
"Nobody in my family ever competed," Ingrassia says, "not even a go-kart race - nothing. When I was young, one of my best friends was into the sport and one day I took my sandwiches and a pack of beer and I went to watch him as a spectator.
"It wasn't long after that he called me and asked if I wanted to co-drive for somebody. I wasn't sure, but he told me, "Don't worry, this guy is 50 years old, he will drive slowly, he just wants to enjoy it'. So I did it."
In fact he jumped squarely into the deep end of the Montpellier-based, two-day (with night stages), pace-noted Criterium des Cevennes rally in a Peugeot 306 S16. That was 2002.
Another one of his mates, Boris Moulaire, was scratching the cents together to build a 205 GTI.
"We were students," says Ingrassia. "It took us four years to save the money to build the car. It was his car though, so I never had any dream of driving. I didn't want to. We shared this one-and-a-half-square-metre cockpit and we both had a game to play. I loved it and through 2003 to '05 I co-drove for friends and built as much experience as I could."
The governing body of French motorsport, the FFSA, was running its Rallye Jeunes programme to find the next Sebastien Loeb, and Ingrassia spied an opportunity. He pulled a sickie and headed to the selection event in Ales, where he was impressed by a certain 22-year-old from Gap.
"I loved co-driving and through 2003 to '05 I co-drove for friends and built as much experience as I could"
Julien Ingrassia
"I wrote to Peugeot [who ran the Rallye Jeunes cars]," Ingrassia says. "I told them who I was, what I had done and proposed my services to co-drive for Sebastien Ogier. He had been strong on the brakes, good in his lines, not aggressive, but plenty of will. So, I sent a letter saying, 'Hello, I am Julien...'
"They came back and said, 'Here's his telephone number, it's OK for us. See what he says...'
"I called him and he invited me to come to his house on a Saturday night in January [2006]. It was so cold. I'm from the south of France, not really used to the mountains and the snow and ice. But he has grown up there. He was living with his parents, so I was brought in and introduced to all these people. I didn't know any of them, but we sat down and ate dinner together and then Seb stood up and said, 'Now we go out'.
"OK, I thought. He's going to take me to the pub or maybe a club to meet his friends."
"[But] we went to the garage, he opened the door and took out his Renault 11 Turbo. We went to the mountains. It was good fun. He knew the roads - they weren't too fast and there were snowbanks to use. I think it was a test to see if I was sick."
He wasn't, and so one of rallying's strongest relationships was born.
In Sardinia earlier this month, some may think that relationship was tested when Ingrassia made his first mistake at rallying's highest level. He forgot to collect his timecard following the penultimate stage of Rally Italy.
Ultimately, the organisers arranged to have the card taken to him, but he and Ogier were then fined €10,000 - with the loss of their 18 points suspended for the rest of the season.
When questioned about the incident, Ogier was quick to point out that he'd never touched a timecard in his life and such queries might be better directed to the right-hand side of the car. This was hardly the 'win together, lose together' approach other drivers have taken to mistakes from the person next to them.
But Ingrassia knows Ogier better than anybody. He knows about his ultra-competitive, uber-demanding side - but he also knows him away from the stages.
These guys are a genuine partnership. There haven't been that many of them - neither Derek Ringer nor Nicky Grist could ever have claimed to be Colin McRae's equal, for example.
But with Ogier and Ingrassia, the respect is mutual and the dependency goes both ways. Talk to anybody about when they first went to Volkswagen or M-Sport for the first time and you get the same story: it was the professionalism from Ingrassia that surprised people. Everybody knew what to expect from the driver, but Julien took his job to another level, and still does.
Like his counterparts the world over, Ingrassia dreamed of being a professional co-driver - but he never genuinely expected it to become a reality.
In 2008 that aspiration came one step closer when he and Ogier, funded by the FFSA and Citroen, took on and won the Junior World Rally Championship. Testing the C2 R2 Max just a week after celebrating the JWRC title win and with a C4 WRC debut on Rally GB just around the corner, things were looking rosy for Ingrassia.
But near the end of the development test, as he was just about to leave his hotel room bound for breakfast, his telephone rang. It was then Citroen team principal Olivier Quesnel.
"Citroen told me the adventure would go on for Seb, but not for me"
Julien Ingrassia
"He told me the adventure would go on for Seb, but not for me," Ingrassia recalls.
"This was the first time in my life my legs went from under me and I fell to the bed. I told him I was in Paris the next day and we could discuss it face-to-face then. Seb had been told just before me. It was hard to swallow, just one week after the championship.
"That day, we crashed on the test - probably because we were not focused. There were big things happening."
Ingrassia pleaded his case to Quesnel and, just before Christmas, was told he could continue. The final choice had been given to Ogier. Instead of following Citroen's advice and going for somebody with more experience, he had backed his man.
The past couple of years had carried Ingrassia to the great heights of the WRC. He'd established himself at Everest's base camp, but it hadn't come easy.
"I gave up my job at the end of 2007," he says. "It was not easy. I was sharing rooms in flats with friends and almost every night I was eating soup and bread - it was quite rough. But I did this because I wanted to be ready to take every chance that came for me."
Rally GB at the end of 2008 was a huge chance and one the duo made the most of - leading on their debut in a World Rally Car in one of the snowiest British events in years.
"We tested for the event in Sweet Lamb," says Ingrassia, "and the C4 was so powerful, with so much torque - when we tried it for the first time after the C2, really you take a big slap!
"The conditions on the rally were quite extreme, but Seb was good in those conditions. We were maybe a little crazy to drive at that speed at that level - I think we both knew it wouldn't end with us leading..."
Indeed, their event ended a day later.
"We landed in a swamp," smiles Ingrassia. "I have the pacenote-book page from this corner on my wall - it has a splash of mud from the swamp, it's very artistic! It's my first memory from a World Rally Car."
Subsequently confirmed as part of Citroen's Junior team for 2009, the pair would start most events in the C4 WRC, but it wasn't working early on.
"What had happened [with initially being dropped] brought so much pressure," Ingrassia says. "For the driver there is this nice carrot, but at the same time he had to decide about me. And for me I felt I was not welcome in the Citroen team, but finally I was still in the plans, [and] this means you come with a lot of pressure. Like, they didn't really want you there.
"The start of 2009, the first three or four rallies, were very hard. We did some mistakes and the pressure was coming. In Cyprus, the pressure exploded and then we went to Portugal and did a small mistake and hit a tree. I think Seb and I were close to being separated at this point.
Loeb didn't like his authority being challenged at Citroen by Ogier and Ingrassia
"But then we came to Greece and finished second. We were liberated - we could do this.
"That was so tough. There's no school for this kind of thing - no school for learning the rallies, the regulations, the media, or things like learning another language. We were in a car and on our own."
That feeling of loneliness would return a couple of years later when civil war broke out at Citroen. Having been used to an entirely compliant team-mate in Dani Sordo, Loeb didn't like his authority being challenged. It didn't start well when Ingrassia celebrated his first Citroen win by offering Loeb a carrot on the podium.
"I can tell you," he says, "he was not enjoying that at all. But I did it because, going into one of the last stages, [co-driver] Daniel [Elena] had told us they were the hunters, pretending to shoot us and telling us we were the rabbit and they were going to kick our ass."
With one Seb too many at Citroen in 2011, something had to give.
"It was a difficult situation," says Ingrassia. "In 2011 Daniel used to take us back to his place for a barbecue after the rallies - he said that would be our debrief.
"Now, when I see that and think back, you cannot have a barbecue with your main competitor, the one you are trying to beat. It cannot work. This was a strange period. I didn't have any big dramas in my life with sickness or family or anything like that, so you realise it's not that important - but at this time it was twisting my stomach for sure.
"Again, in this situation Seb and I were alone. We didn't know how to deal with it. But this was still part of the learning: you need to understand you are in business as well as in sport, but you don't always expect these rules.
"I remember a lot of stories from around this time, but in November [2011], I was living close to Seb. I went to his house and he was sitting at his table, he was tired and hadn't been out for a few days. It was Ford or it was Volkswagen - to drive the Skoda the next year and then the Polo.
"The worry was that if we took the year out, would we come back in the same way? Would our competitors be further ahead? We made some points, we thought about it and then I said, 'Take your phone and call Carlos [Sainz, the intermediary between the duo and VW]. Tell them now, we go with them'. And four days later we were signing the contract in Wolfsburg."
Six years later, they celebrated a fifth world title; four with VW and one with M-Sport. How does it feel to wake up as a five-time world champion?
"There's no time to think about it," smiles Ingrassia, amused at the concept of this being his first thought of the day.
"I would like have some more time between the end of the last season and the start of the next: we finish one test on December 20 and we start the next test on January 5. There's no time to sit by the fire with a good whisky and think about what I have done this year. My friends are making me realise I'm doing something great, but I don't realise this."
It's becoming a regular thing to talk about Ogier's future at this time of year. But what about Ingrassia? He's got no appetite for starting the journey again with another driver, but his Rally Finland crash in 2017 brought things into slightly sharper focus.
"I'm not superstitious at all, but sometimes you feel things in the air," says Ingrassia. "When I arrived at this rally, I took my pacenote book and I wrote my testament and sent it to the lawyer. I was feeling on this rally something would happen. And on the second stage... bang."
A heavy landing broke something in the rear suspension on the Ford Fiesta WRC and when Ogier turned in to the next corner, the car broke away and hit a tree on Ingrassia's side. He suffered concussion and was grounded from competing for 15 days.
"This did not make me think about stopping," says Ingrassia. "I knew something would happen [at that rally]. It was not very fast, but when you are sliding and you know the tree will hit, you have no real notion of the speed. But where will it hit? When you wait, something bad happens deep in your stomach - this is animal fear.
"It was not a good period for me after this. I was shocked and it took a little time for me to recover - the brain was hitting the bones and concussion takes time."
Ask him about the future and, predictably, he's not going to reveal much. "I won't be here in 10 years," is all we get, with a trademark smile and wink.
"In my mind I feel I had a first life working and studying, then I have this beautiful life as a top-level co-driver and this will end one day.
"Maybe in a few years I will try to transmit my experience, to spread it around [to younger co-drivers] and then I will want a completely separate life away from the sport. I have always been interested in wildlife and I think this will be where I will go."
Ingrassia is one of the WRC's most forthright, intelligent and engaging personalities. Wildlife's gain will be rallying's loss when the time comes.
I wouldn't normally share a full article, but it p*sses me off that I pay Autosport (having been a subscriber for 10+years) to produce vast quantities of Formula 1/E clickbait crap nowadays... So I'll take the liberty on this one! To be fair, it's essentially just a good Ingrassia interview by David Evans.
The carrot story is just killing me:D
thanks sniper!
"[But] we went to the garage, he opened the door and took out his Renault 11 Turbo. We went to the mountains. It was good fun. "
I feel proud now to have also owned an R11 Turbo ! ;) A great under-rated hot-hatch that no-one ever mentions ...
EDIT: I found this other quote..
“It was a bit like a date,” says Ingrassia. It was snowy out and they had dinner, and when they were supposed to head out to a local bar, Ingrassia spotted the Ogier's Renault 11 Turbo with studded tires. They never made it to the bar. Instead they played in the snow all night." :D
#ReliveRallyFinland2003 is now on https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&...HartusvuoriWRC
In my dream world, here is my entry for the "Freestyle" class in Rally
Finland, or as I prefer to call it, the 1000 Lakes Rally:
https://www.rally037.com/181_2.jpg
Actually, when I set off designing this car, that was one of my targets,
to be at least as fast or faster than the current WRC cars on fast
gravel roads, which (slowed down or not) I should think Rally Finland has in abundance.
OK, maybe not before we have changed the suspension to gravel spec first...
Scandola had a promising start at Rally di Roma Capitale! lol
https://twitter.com/ChristianWRC1/st...010341888?s=08
How did he knew it was a "STOP" sign?Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Great to see a Prodrive Subaru hitting the road again; a shame it isn’t a WRC car…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UplhoUXvGA
video: Realitatea Sportiva
It's not really about rally, but Kevin Abbring driving this weekend in Lithuania long distance race with Hyundai i30 TCR and in qualification showed best time among TCR cars in this race, and 6th overall. About team where Abbring drive: https://www.15min.lt/gazas/naujiena/...uga-25-1004186
More about race: http://racing.lt/
Deepest sympathies to Greek forum friends and their compatriots on this terrible moment.