These are his main incomes yes, but there are huge expenses also. WRC cars being one of them.
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These are his main incomes yes, but there are huge expenses also. WRC cars being one of them.
Seb won't be retiring.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
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these are a very -very small part of his incomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
What else then? If i remember correctly, he said that R5 selling is the source of money for his WRC team.
all the spares,rebuilds, for all the cars he has sold last decades.
Well, that`s what i (we) meant. Quite logical when selling cars.
you were talking about huge costs at wrc team.These money from selling /rebuilding/cars is way much more huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Malcolm can afford to pay any driver,but he don't want.
I would do the same btw.
Ogier has basically been rejected by toyota, citroen and hyundai.. he will be at ford next year or retire
Huge costs for paying 300 employees, plants and necessary equipment+spares for every built car but especially running the cars themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Have we been reading the same news? Ogier is the target of a very intensive campaign from Citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
If Ogier wants Citroen is another question and will likely depend on whether they have pace or not in my opinion.
He say in joke that he want double team contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
...or you’re getting all wrong and he signed for Citroen a long time ago, which helps to explain why Toyota and Hyundai didn’t managed to catch him.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
What do people think will happen with Camilli next year? A quick look at my contract list shows that his initial deal with M-Sport is up at the end of this year. When he originally signed Malcolm said he had first option on Eric for 2018 - so it's all down to whether he wants to do that. And I don't think they'd bother if it's just another year in WRC2.
My gut feeling is that he'll be out unfortunately, but I hope he can somehow negotiate some events in a WRC next year. We saw some good things from Elfyn and Ott when they returned to the top level, but they at least had the security of one full season to show what they could do.
He still has limited rallying experience and seat time. I think ideally another full year in a R5 car would be best for him. Time is on his side. If he can then become dominant and a consistent winner then he'd be in to a good position to step up to a WRC car for 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
However he'll probably find it hard to get another two years budget together. Maybe the best bet would be for him to do the first 6/7 events next year in an R5 car, then try and get a handful of outings in a WRC car at the back end of the year.
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Well, sad but no. Neuville, Tanak, Mikkelsen, Lappi, Suninen, Tidemand, Breen, Evans are younger than Camilli. Don't mention bunch of youngsters this/next year in R5's. More like next year will be now or never time for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
I was thinking this too. I didnt think MW could contemplate his team going back to being the 'also-rans'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
However, if M-Sport win the two championships this season, he might think he has nothing left to prove... and he would probably be right.
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Burning Ogier issue
Sorry folks, I cannot let it go.
“I guess they can still find the money”, “They sure need to have him” etc. Guess, what these are! Yes, that is some of the reasoning why M-Sport and Ogier should stay together.
First of all there is no such thing as lack of money at M-Sport. It is a question where to spend it. What brings revenue? What is the output-input ratio? Is it feasible? Basic things in a limited company.
Just calculate how many cars should Malcolm sell or hire to cover the costs of Ogier´s year in the team. With no direct sponsorship or other income source, that is the equation. And more importantly, calculate only those that are sold or hired because Seb has been driving for M-Sport.
Was it that easy and smooth, there would be many more teams after Ogier. Have not asked Toni, but I guess, had he a suitable car and enough funds, he could hire Ogier to drive for TGS Worldwide. Take that as an option as the principle of business is the same in his company. No real benefit, not economically clever but that much cooler.
If M-Sport is a clear thing I am not sure about Seb´s values. We have seen drivers in the past, willing to continue as long as they are hired by some team. Meaning that they are not too pissed about the pay-cut as rally is everything they know and want to do.
I would say Seb is not like that. He is a family man who cares about his wife and child, not willing to rob time from them - as it is normally the case among rally professionals. His family has been happy to receive him back from the rallies already on Sunday evenings - thanks to the private plane he can afford to use.
Remember also that he was ready to retire from Rally Sardinia 2016 if his boy Tim was to see the daylight during the rally. Who else would and could do that?
In addition to that he soon will have five titles in a row, he is a wealthy, healthy young man with plenty of other things to do in life. Rally is a passion for him but not the whole world.
From the result point-of-view it is a questionable thing to continue. No big drama but Seb has scored only two wins and has been beaten by his team mate four times which in his normal performance scale sounds a bit worrying.
He has still managed everything very well, with that professional touch that brings the title home year after year. No more that raw Seb speed we have seen in the previous seasons but main focus on point-scoring, avoiding unnecessary huge risks like he has always been doing.
In my mind this was already Seb´s bonus year and he made it perfect. Equally he knows that it would be much harder to repeat this success again in 2018 whether it was at M-Sport or at some new team again.
Without a proper contract and champion level salary, taking those same risks again does not feel right. Drivers at top level are paid for the results they bring but also for the risks they take in their everyday job.
I really believed and understood that Hyundai (and Citroen too) was after Ogier and willing to pay what he asks. But obviously not and that´s a shame if I may say. How can someone say no to a driver this magnitude if they are seriously competing for the titles..?
Note that this will be the first time in 38 years of WRC history when reigning world champion will be “liberated” from the series. And mostly against his own will.
Hope I am wrong but my conclusion is that Seb leaves the ring in Rocky Marciano style. The last showdown will be Rally Australia then. So far, enjoy your Seb sight as he will not be there for long.
One big champion leaving means another one growing around the corner. Thanks for the memories, Seb!
It's always hard for fans to contemplate how a champion at the top of their sport is prepared to walk away. It must take massive mental strength to know when you have had enough. Continuing is the easy option as you're in demand.
no. it appears ogier is pricing himself of the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
They are usually not talking about his salary, it's the commitment to spend big on continued development. At least that is what every interview mentions...
I don’t believe for a minute that Ogier will leave. If, like it’s said above, he has others priorities in life which may influence him to end his career, why didn’t he took VW pull out to do it? It’d be the perfect occasion.
There’s also Citroen WRC future to consider. Ogier is their only hope to fix the big mess they’re in; without him, it’s easy to predict another struggling season, eventually leading to a disgraceful pull out at the end of the year. Mr. Tavares is certainly aware of it; it’d be a shocking surprise to see him let Citroen Racing to fail that way.
I don't think that he will leave either. Ogier is earning millions of euro per year doing what he loves. He will not stop it because he risks not to win the championship again.
This can be the problem with any Citroen deal. They do seem to be tight with their finances at the moment. Plus there's the sponsor clash.Quote:
Originally Posted by swanny
Can Ogier continue with M-Sport ? It looks unlikely without Ford or other big sponsor.
So his retirement is a real possibility IMO.
Any team boss who doesn't try everything to sign ogier should be fired.
Yes, he's not the most humble likable person. But he still is, by some margin, the best rally driver in the world.
Having him in the team gives you a big starting advantage to win the title, having him in some other team gives you an immediate disadvantage.
So anyone who's goal is to win the championship, should give first priority to signing ogier. Doing anything else severely reduces the chances of winning the title.
https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cu...rector-967352/
Interesting to read ne leader of Ford Performance - Pericak is leaving...
Finally. Some people are more focused on harmony in the team than in trophies for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
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im also very surprised by the fact that the other teams besides M-sport arent really interested or doing enough to get Ogier. Like mentioned here, the benefits with having him are huge.
Others are a lot more cheaper...
You get what you pay for. Sign Ogier and you'll most likely win championships...Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
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Hyundai offer him (too) little money, Toyota din't offer him anything (he called them and get rejected), Citroen offer him some money (some says that a little low), M-Sport boss now says that he can't afford him because that means he will risk his company.
I think that he doesn't have another option now that except or get out.. Soon Malcolm will close the doors, he get him, prove everything and that's it.
He is still dependent of teams and that's why I think nobody will sign him in the future if he will making his own terms.
We will see in the future in like 10 or 20 years if he will run some manufacturer team that he will be in their position...
As I've mentioned before, his management contacted Toyota after Finland and he was rejected.
When Ogier first tested he wanted something around 8 million to drive for Toyota and offered to help them develop the car since he felt it needed a ton of work. His arrogance actually offended the team along with Akio himself. They also feel he will not fit well with the Japanese/Finnish mentality.
I would not be surprised if he is offering to develop the C3 (perfect opportunity considering their misfortunes) in return for good money, but Citroen might not have boat loads of development money on top of Ogiers salary.
On a side note, the C3 is doing a lot better after more tweaks. Lets see how Meeke and Breen do in Wales.
Has anyone started a 'give a little', patreon etc to help Malcom pay Ogier's wages for another year?
Could Ogier do a 'Loeb retirement' and go touring car racing?
I see that the 2019 DTM is going to run 2 litre turbo engines, could Ogier spend 2018 in low key touring car training (TCR, 24hrs at the Ring etc) to go to Audi in the 2019 DTM? Seb could spend 2018 close to home and any manufacturer duties in 2019 would be Europe based and not too far from home?
https://www.motorsport.com/dtm/news/...n-year-962694/
Nahhh he recently said in an interview rally is the best sport and is what he wants to focus on.
Malcolm will not close doors for Ogier...Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
If Seb in the day of entry closing of Monte tells to Malcolm that he want drive, he will get car for it.
Mate, you make it sound like there was an option for him just to drive the car and not bother if it stinks; making it competitive wasn’t part of the job? Come on…Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
Besides being the most competent driver around Ogier is also the most committed. People should remember FX Demaison words: VW’s original plan was to take a full season to turn the Polo into a winner but Ogier relentlessly pushed the whole team to guarantee it’d win from the first outing.
Honestly, this constant talk about drivers apparent character flaws sucks. Rally isn’t a popularity contest; it’s a brave competition decided in the stages and top drivers need to be tough in every fair way. Like in real life, no one wins just for being a nice guy.
I’m telling as I heard it from a Toyota insider. It is what it is, mate :). Same person who told me Tanak is certainly going to Toyota in August. Toyota don’t want Ogier and that’s a fact.
The car went on to win Sweden so it wasn’t all that bad. I’m not hating on Ogier as he’s one of the best drivers. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Just passing on first hand info I received. Cheers!!
True, even Mäkinen has publicly admitted this.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
Nice comments by Kris Meeke:
You must get some pleasure from seeing those at your former team M-Sport on the cusp of both Manufacturers’ and Drivers’ crowns?
“Yes, you have to give credit where credit is due. Bringing Ogier into the squad at the start of the season has been a major factor; it’s giving them a sense of belief. The reliability and strength of the Fiesta on different surfaces has been there throughout the year, too. It looks like they are on track to win the Manufacturers’ title and, quite possibly, score a one-two in the Drivers’ title. You have to respect them for what they’ve done this year.”
Again speaks like a man who wants Seb alongside him to help push citroen on, and make that C3 better. Despite some people's beliefs, he wanted Ogier to join last year too when VW announced they were pulling out.
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No need for apologies, no feeling hurt…just saying that we could try to be more objective and stop moaning about the moaner. Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
Btw, didn’t Latvala managed to make some changes on the Yaris before final homologation?